NWR new zero tolerance covid thread

Just been tasting with a young (30ish) vigneron who has still not got his tastebuds back after 3 and a half months
I got symptoms on Jan 1 and after a week my tastebuds shut down. Still shut down, and whilst my liver might be enjoying a wine free holiday it is a worry. Not anywhere as serious for me as for a vigneron obvs but it would be a tad sub optimal if they never functioned again. VinEx might have to be utilised. How are other survivors getting on in this regard?
 
I got symptoms on Jan 1 and after a week my tastebuds shut down. Still shut down, and whilst my liver might be enjoying a wine free holiday it is a worry. Not anywhere as serious for me as for a vigneron obvs but it would be a tad sub optimal if they never functioned again. VinEx might have to be utilised. How are other survivors getting on in this regard?

I, too, went through a horrible period of looking at all the wine in my cellar and thinking, "What and I going to do with all this if my taste and smell never come back?". My symptoms started just after Christmas and I think I'm probably back to about 85% sense capacity now. It waxes and wanes a little, but seems to be on a slow upward curve. We're mostly sticking the cheap wine at the moment - mostly quite robust reds that are guaranteed to register, even if I'm not getting the full smell and flavour spectrum.
 
One hopes that it is a sign that caution is replacing misplaced boosterism rather than an indicator of a rapidly worsening outlook. I failed my O level biology but even I expected mutations to emerge so they can't be much of a surprise to the better educated.
 
One hopes that it is a sign that caution is replacing misplaced boosterism rather than an indicator of a rapidly worsening outlook. I failed my O level biology but even I expected mutations to emerge so they can't be much of a surprise to the better educated.
Yes there was plenty of talk on this and how a modification could be created in a few weeks and regulated quickly after small scale tests. Now suddenly AZ are talking autumn before it’s ready and rolled out. They managed a new vaccine in same time frame so seems a little slow in comparison.
 
Yes there was plenty of talk on this and how a modification could be created in a few weeks and regulated quickly after small scale tests. Now suddenly AZ are talking autumn before it’s ready and rolled out. They managed a new vaccine in same time frame so seems a little slow in comparison.
If I’d produced enough doses of a vaccine to last until Autumn and were making nil profit per dose, I’m not so sure as I’d be keen to trash them and produce another within a month or two.
 
The nil profit thing is odd. We’re told the the EU got it cheaper. Does that mean AZ are supplying them at a loss?!
AIUI, the current vaccines are believed to be good enough to prevent hospitalisation even with the current variants doing the rounds. Are the goalposts (to relieve pressure on NHS) moving?
 
If I’d produced enough doses of a vaccine to last until Autumn and were making nil profit per dose, I’m not so sure as I’d be keen to trash them and produce another within a month or two.
Well there is that but the production is around 2 million per week but I guess there is pipeline, process and some production ramp up time of the new content but still thought it would be a little more nimble. Pfizer also said it would only take them six weeks to modify and manufacture.
let’s see how we go along year on year.
 
The nil profit thing is odd. We’re told the the EU got it cheaper. Does that mean AZ are supplying them at a loss?!
AIUI, the current vaccines are believed to be good enough to prevent hospitalisation even with the current variants doing the rounds. Are the goalposts (to relieve pressure on NHS) moving?
It was zero profit to developing nations I understand. the EU I believe only bought at a rate just below the UKs price. From memory it’s around £2 - £2.50 to such nations.
edit - I did just go an look this up and found a statement saying it would give at cost to developing nations then another news article saying they will initially are nonprofit then charge once it’s not deemed a pandemic. So now I’m confused but it’s a vaccine at a significantly cheaper cost than the mRNA ones with or without markup.
 
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Very serious and possibly livelihood threatening for them as it would be for anyone in the trade. I consider myself very lucky indeed that all I have to lose is a hobby with the irony being that the loss would net a cash boost from the sale of the wine and better financial health going forward. Here is hoping that Jasper's vigneron makes a full recovery of his tastebuds.
 
Very serious and possibly livelihood threatening for them as it would be for anyone in the trade. I consider myself very lucky indeed that all I have to lose is a hobby with the irony being that the loss would net a cash boost from the sale of the wine and better financial health going forward. Here is hoping that Jasper's vigneron makes a full recovery of his tastebuds.
Interesting. How long would you give it before flogging it all off?
 
Well there is that but the production is around 2 million per week but I guess there is pipeline, process and some production ramp up time of the new content but still thought it would be a little more nimble. Pfizer also said it would only take them six weeks to modify and manufacture.
let’s see how we go along year on year.
Also, they may be able to develop and re-jig production in several weeks for any one new variant, but new vaccines are not going to get into the arms of the nation that quickly.

I suspect that towards the end of the current vaccination programme we will look at how those vaccines have performed, and are likely to perform with current and future strains, decide what vaccine is likely to be needed in the next 6 months, perhaps for a few different strains, and take it from there
 
Interesting. How long would you give it before flogging it all off?
A question I have been asking myself. Longer than shorter as my taste may return after the bottles have gone. Nightmare!
Doctor step daughter reckons from the evidence so far it can take up to 6 months for the buds to return which might be mitigated by beclamethazone based nasal spray. So let's say after a year I might start selling stuff near the end of its window so someone can enjoy it and see how we go.
 
A question I have been asking myself. Longer than shorter as my taste may return after the bottles have gone. Nightmare!
Doctor step daughter reckons from the evidence so far it can take up to 6 months for the buds to return which might be mitigated by beclamethazone based nasal spray. So let's say after a year I might start selling stuff near the end of its window so someone can enjoy it and see how we go.
Just to be clear, you haven't actually got it, have you?!
 
If I’d produced enough doses of a vaccine to last until Autumn and were making nil profit per dose, I’m not so sure as I’d be keen to trash them and produce another within a month or two.
I’ve now found more of an answer. The mRNA vaccines are modified in 6 weeks and ready to go but the AZ needs another 4-6 weeks on top as they have to grow cell cultures.
Today they said ready for trials by spring so starting to look about right.
moderna already have the modified version I think they are now going to trial. This is due with the UK end of spring though only 17 million doses total but may kick into that period with modified vaccines.
 
I’ve now found more of an answer. The mRNA vaccines are modified in 6 weeks and ready to go but the AZ needs another 4-6 weeks on top as they have to grow cell cultures.
Today they said ready for trials by spring so starting to look about right.
moderna already have the modified version I think they are now going to trial. This is due with the UK end of spring though only 17 million doses total but may kick into that period with modified vaccines.
Yeah, mRNA vaccine is by default quicker to amend than Adenovirus or protein base vaccine, also less things to be 'disgard' or put aside. Although it shouldn't be too much stuffs wasted in any method anyway, as majority of consumables + facilities are basically the same. One concern is regulation, how much more data the authorities need to see to approve the updated version. Whilst I think at least the UK one should be rather practical as it appeared to be.
 
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