NWR new zero tolerance covid thread

Indeed I read that the Kent variant may have been from such a case. Kept alive by modern and new treatments the virus found a way to survive, surely a wonder of natural selection. Then the variant was passed on and, in the ultimate two finger wave from Mother Nature the patient died.
I'm reminded of a wasp I read about that lays its egg in another insect, an ant I think, then its offspring eat and grow inside. Wonderful nature. Although the analogy is flawed.

Think it was an immunosuppresed patient rather than modern treatments keeping them alive

 
But I understand it's going to be hard to get to any level of "herd immunity" in France as so many (about half?) have said they won't take it.
#brokenrecord “have said they won’t take it” is very, very far from “won’t take it”. I think we should wait and see what impact the vaccine has in countries which are ostensibly ultra pro and countries which are more hesitant. I would be happy to bet you a bottle of 2001 musar that the difference will be pretty small.
 
I have also noticed my GPs software lacks basic input validation for repeat prescriptions - daily doses and totals for an 8 week prescription can be inconsistent. This is pretty basic stuff that as a software engineer I would be expected to implement even if not in my spec ("story" actually, as we were "agile").

One wonders how many additional more-serious and easily-avoidable errors lie in our medical records, just waiting to be used by some "algorithm".
 
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Should care home workers continue working in care homes if they refuse the vaccine, given the vulnerability of those in their care?
There is precedent here among those working in GP surgeries having to have all relevant vaccinations.
The interesting thing with care homes is that there must be quite an overlap between those working there and the demographics being most reluctant to take vaccines (arguably through heavy community brainwashing).
 
When I read this I almost felt it was an old article in July 2020, just different name: 'We'll have herd immunity by October'.
The arguments are almost identical: the case drop is better than expected, scientists under estimate the number of people infected, T cell immunity cannot be detected by antibody test,.... We heard all those last year, and what happened?
This article explains quite well back in Oct 2020, before the horrible 'Thanksgiving peak' in the US and 'Christmas peak' in the UK:

The thing is, if those doctors repeat the same prediction again and again, one day they will be correct. Every pandemic has an end. Just we don't know after how many peaks and how many people's death that would happen.
Even this Liverpool born Dr Makary might be correct this time, it might well be because we have some pretty good vaccine on road already, not because some "mysterious dark matter" immunity.
He said: "These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population has had the infection..." If that's the case, why bother doing massive vaccination?
 
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When I read this I almost felt it was an old article in July 2020, just different name: 'We'll have herd immunity by October'.
The arguments are almost identical: the case drop is better than expected, scientists under estimate the number of people infected, T cell immunity cannot be detected by antibody test,.... We heard all those last year, and what happened?
This article explains quite well back in Oct 2020, before the horrible 'Thanksgiving peak' in the US and 'Christmas peak' in the UK:

The thing is, if those doctors repeat the same prediction again and again, one day they will be correct. Every pandemic has an end. Just we don't know after how many peaks and how many people's death that would happen.
Even this Liverpool born Dr Makary might be correct this time, it might well be because we have some pretty good vaccine on road already, not because some "mysterious dark matter" immunity.
He said: "These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population has had the infection..." If that's the case, why bother doing massive vaccination?
I think I saw a couple of weeks ago (BBC?) that HMG thinks a third of UK has had Covid. Interesting if in the US it's two-thirds but their death rate per population isn't much worse than ours?
 
I think I saw a couple of weeks ago (BBC?) that HMG thinks a third of UK has had Covid. Interesting if in the US it's two-thirds but their death rate per population isn't much worse than ours?
I don't know why HMG would think that (if they indeed do); but how that WSJ article calculated out the 2/3 ratio was basically rubbish.
Anyway, it's not even the point to know how many people have got Covid; what really matter is how many people would be immune from Covid or at least severely ill from Covid. Manaus in Brazil said to have 76% population got Covid last Oct (I doubt), and then they got a very deadly 2nd wave in Jan 2021.
If we scientists learned something in the past year, it would be not to blindly trust antibody test.

Bottom line: we should ignore the noise from certain media and 'experts' with some strange ideology, continue to control the virus spreading, and immunise people with vaccines proven work by large scale controlled clinical trail.
 
I don't know why HMG would think that (if they indeed do); but how that WSJ article calculated out the 2/3 ratio was basically rubbish.
Anyway, it's not even the point to know how many people have got Covid; what really matter is how many people would be immune from Covid or at least severely ill from Covid. Manaus in Brazil said to have 76% population got Covid last Oct (I doubt), and then they got a very deadly 2nd wave in Jan 2021.
If we scientists learned something in the past year, it would be not to blindly trust antibody test.

Bottom line: we should ignore the noise from certain media and 'experts' with some strange ideology, continue to control the virus spreading, and immunise people with vaccines proven work by large scale controlled clinical trail.
Been trying to find the source of my hazy memory on this, Po-Yu. I found an unsourced (just "Cambridge University") piece in the Evening Standard saying a third of Londoners are estimated to have had Covid, based I think on extrapolated modelling. Will keep looking...
 
Will there really be that many care home workers refusing vaccine? Are there many NHS workers (including porters and cleaners) refused the vaccine?
Although it’s difficult to give exact figures reliable sources suggest between 25 and 40% of care home staff haven’t come forward at this point despite being eligible.

Plenty of reliable sources out there including the BBC.

Dont know (or claim to know) anything about NHS workers.
 
One wonders how many additional more-serious and easily-avoidable errors lie in our medical records, just waiting to be used by some "algorithm".
On the less serious side, I had to go to the GP for the first time in 20 years last year, and allowed myself a laugh when the buzzer went and "Master Jeremy Hammett" popped up on the screen.
 
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