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- UK
That's an interesting one Simon
2002 wines at 20 years of age…
- Thread starter Andy Leslie
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- Deep South of Cambridgeshire
Fascinating! And presumably it was natural in 2002, showing that natural wines do age (although, I guess with Musar being unofficially natural, I already knew that!)
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- London and Connecticut
Very unusual? What grape varieties are in this wine?
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- London
Hi Richard - not particularly unusual, as I’ve drunk a fair few of his wines over the years, incl the 96, 94, 09 and previous bottles of the 02 but this is my first for a few years. It’s a blend of Croatina/Uva Rare/Vespolina so a bit like an Alto Piemonte blend minus the Nebbiolo.
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- Holmfirth
On the strength of Simon's write-up I've bought a couple of bottles of the 2005 today, so intrigued was I.
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- London
Hope you enjoy them Colin. My one suggestion would be double decant leaving the last half glass and then clean out the bottle before decanting back in as they invariably have heavy sediment at the bottom of the bottle
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- Kuala Lumpur
I drank one last week. It was like chewing razor bladesNot a tasting note , but it’s interesting that my top performing investment wine of the last ten years, is Salon Le Mesnil 2002, which has increased in price more than by a factor of 5 since purchase . Of course, I will never get round to drinking it
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- Edmonton, Canada
Andrew Stevenson's note on his 2002 Fred Loimar Gruner Veltliner reminded me that I opened the 2002 Wimmer-Czerny 'Felsenberg' Gruner Veltliner last month. It seems to me that his notes are not far off what I experienced with my bottle. I decanted the wine in a small carafe and the colour was a lovely yellow gold. At first it was closed but as it warmed up and aired it gained intensity and depth of fruit. Like Andrew we found ripe fruit, pear in particular, and a rich rounded mouthfeel that lingered, with sufficient acidity to carry it forward. A hint of sweetness also did it no harm. It's definitely a fully mature wine but is far from over the hill. If I can add one more thing I would say that I was taken by the intensity of the wine, its depth and persistence. Just imagine, two 20 year-old Gruner Veltliners in this thread. Kudos to Austria.
By the way, this was a 'last supper' at home before flying overseas. The other wines of note were a 1989 La Dominique, a 2004 Sena, and a 2001 Marin Picolit which was surpringly alive and intense.
Cheers .................. Mahmoud.
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- South Africa and UK
Well that’s just a typical Charlie , surely ?- Location
- Norf London
'02 Nicolas Potel Grand Cru Clos de la Roche - I bought this wine to the '02 Burgundy Dinner at Noize in May and it along with a number of other wines on the night was quite underwhelming to say the least, which was a massive shame as a previous bottle in December last year had ended up being my wine of the year. A belated anniversary dinner at Les 2 Garcons last night seemed to be a good opportunity for another outing. Served just above cellar temp and allowed to warm in the glass, which whilst not big Burgundy bowls, were sufficient. Initially a little tight and stemmy on the nose with some typical Morey spice and a hint of wildness on the nose (I also am suffering from a cold!). It was a lovely array of aged red fruits and cherry confit, with a hint of coffee bitterness at the back. All in all a lovely drop, maybe a little lite for its GC status but still a very delicious bottle and perfect match with some fabulous autumnal cooking
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- Edmonton, Canada
I am finally back home after a three month absence and now able to drink some good wines. The day after I returned we were supposed to drive down to Calgary for a company Christmas party but frigid temperatures (-27C) and dangerous icy road conditions put paid to that plan. Instead of the rib roast at the Calgary Golf Club we holed up and had beef sirloin tip roast sliced and grilled with a 20 year old South African red, a 2002 Muratie 'Ansela van de Caab' Stellenbosch (13.5%), a red blend of 50% Cabernet, 30% Merlot and 20% Cabernet Franc.
I had not had this wine before and, like with many others, decided to cellar it despite knowing that 2002 was not a fancied year in South Africa. The back label said it was "A big wine that is at its best ten years after vintage." That was good enough for me and, par for the course, I doubled down on the winemakers timeline since it is, after all, a Bordeaux blend. It turned out to be a good gamble because it was a fine bottle, leafy and filigreed, the tannins fully resolved with a silky finish and a fresh, slightly elevated acidity that suited the rare steaks.
For next year I have some 2003 South Africans, the De Toren Fusion V and Meerlust Rubicon. I`m particularly interested in the Fusion V because one of the staff in the "downtown store" told me that ten years would be pushing the envelope.
Cheers ............................. Mahmoud.
I had not had this wine before and, like with many others, decided to cellar it despite knowing that 2002 was not a fancied year in South Africa. The back label said it was "A big wine that is at its best ten years after vintage." That was good enough for me and, par for the course, I doubled down on the winemakers timeline since it is, after all, a Bordeaux blend. It turned out to be a good gamble because it was a fine bottle, leafy and filigreed, the tannins fully resolved with a silky finish and a fresh, slightly elevated acidity that suited the rare steaks.
For next year I have some 2003 South Africans, the De Toren Fusion V and Meerlust Rubicon. I`m particularly interested in the Fusion V because one of the staff in the "downtown store" told me that ten years would be pushing the envelope.
Cheers ............................. Mahmoud.
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- Holmfirth
2003 was a very good year for RSA red wines and I should have thought that both of those two would be excellent at 20 years old - they’re both very good wines irrespective of the vintage in my experience.