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Simply not on my radar anymore, when even a modest village wine costs what will buy a top wine from so many places. In fact I've almost even forgotten about its existence
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Not in the same league at all but I find myself struggling to drink some of the wines in my fairly modest cellar simply because I often look at some of the bottles worth in the region of £50 or more and thinking that it doesn't seem right to drink on my own.
My wife isn't much of a wine drinker and certainly not reds, so I would often be drinking the bottle mostly myself. It's different when we have company but that's not a weekly occurrence.
I do tend to turn to wines in the £20-30 region for more every day drinking and will happily open one of those at any occasion so perhaps it really is the cost which is a barrier for me. Does anyone else have that sort of issue? Maybe I just need to get over myself and drink more of this sort of wine!
I do tend to turn to wines in the £20-30 region for more every day drinking and will happily open one of those at any occasion so perhaps it really is the cost which is a barrier for me. Does anyone else have that sort of issue? Maybe I just need to get over myself and drink more of this sort of wine!
Now this is something I can strongly disagree with in terms of my own experience. There are plenty of village wines at around the £15-£20 that give me enormous pleasure. I think that much of this pleasure is derived by association with the knowledge of what these wines are little versions of. So I can understand that many (most?) drinkers would not enjoy them, I do! ;-)Simply on my radar anymore, when even a modest village wine costs what will buy a top wine from so many places. In fact I've almost even forgotten about its existence
Now that is a proposition which requires a great deal of thought!It's kind of strange, but I find that more expensive wine only really shines when you taste it against something cheaper. I've found plenty of wines under a tenner which give more than enough drinking pleasure as long as you don't go tasting something premium the same evening.
Now that is a proposition which requires a great deal of thought!
I managed to pick up the '11 & '11 for about the same.Burgundy prices have certainly risen stratospherically at the top end and fairly steeply across the board.
I won't be giving up on the region entirely however and good wines can still be bought at prices which aren't prohibitive. I realise that such things are subjective but I find
2010 Fixin, Clos de la Perrière, 1er Cru, Domaine Joliet a decent shout at sub £30 all in.
Well done!I managed to pick up the '11 & '11 for about the same.
Should read '11 & '12. Now, just where is the smug icon?!Well done!
There are certainly studies which suggest that cheaper wines are often preferred in blind tastings, e.g. Ashton, R.H. (2014):
Indeed. If you do a search back, you'll find quite an extended discussion that we had on this very subject. It may have been on the old board though.The better news is that these effects don't seem to apply so strongly to particularly educated wine consumers, who do indeed prefer more expensive wines (see Goldstein).
Indeed. If you do a search back, you'll find quite an extended discussion that we had on this very subject. It may have been on the old board though.
But I think there was general agreement that if you have an untutored palate, the most cost-effective thing to do is to avoid educating it. There seems to be a tipping point at which you "get" the idea of better wines, if I can put it that way. Once past this point, you cannot unlearn what you have learned, though it does help you appreciate more points in lesser wines I guess.
My brother can't tell one wine from another and as to value, he's a bit of a poor judge. As to price well cheapest I would think.Curiously my brother, who has no interest in wine, is always able to put a price on a bottle very accurately simply by tasting.
Good point - I'm not sure either.Top wines may require more evolution to show their stuff, whereas cheaper wines tend to be produced in volume and therefore produced in a style that encourages immediate consumption. Not sure those tastings factored any of that in.
Good point - I'm not sure either.
But I hope part of educating a palate would involve understanding that some wines call for cellar time, and that a wine like that drunk too early may be in a suboptimal condition. But the question was on preferences, and I'm pretty sure I too would vote for a cheaper, lower rank Burgundy or a New World PN that was accessible, rather than a firmly shut GC. To do otherwise would be to score the label rather than the wine.
Indeed, if we didn't take that approach on housing, many of us would be rich but living on the streets or in tiny apartments!In my book it's the purchase price of Burgundy that I log, not the secondary market potential value.