European Travel and Holidays 2021/22

Anyone know what is happening re Italy and UK entry? Their current regs expire tomorrow and nothing yet on what comes next.

Edit: actually they expire at midnight tonight!
Yes, it's been confirmed that 5 days quarantine will still be required in Italy arriving from the UK. Until 30 August for the time being. Was perhaps still holding out a bit of hope that it might be feasible to get out there but not a hugely surprising result (if one that is still a bit difficult to understand).

Edit: just to say that the ordnance has been issued by the ministry of health but its own website hasn't yet been updated (nor that of the FCO, or the Italian Embassy in the UK).
 
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Government Xenophobia or idiocy?
Reunion is on the amber list despite the beta variant being dominant
France is on the quarantine amber + list... despite the beta variant being almost inexistant in France (Delta over 95% in Marseilles...).
No not xenophobia at all I don’t think Antoine but quite probable a smattering of incompetence by some data collator and mabye the bonus of helping boost the economy and hospitality.

Its my personal opinion that initially the figures were taken at face value and a mistake was made. For a while there was no comment on how numbers were compiled until more than a few people latched onto the numbers. I posted the individual area figures from the French official website last week.
Now the government ministers are referencing and sometimes defending the reunion stats, yesterday one said well it’s a no border policy and residents can move freely between. Today another starts talking about some northern France figures.
They both seemed to hint that it’s all changing next week anyway and it will be scrapped, though of course they are awaiting the data and see what the experts say.

I cancelled my French holiday last week as can’t be worried about some politician here or one over there making some decision to make life more complicated. I also won’t be spending anywhere near as much money here, maybe next year will be third time lucky as last years advise not to travel came in just 3 days before we were due to leave.

I think it’s utter poppycock.
 
DD is going to Ibiza, but because she's too young to have been able to get double vaxed, needs tests prior to flying out, prior to flying back and then day 2 and day 8 after return. The one she doesn't seem to be able to get her head around in terms of ordering the right thing is the one prior to flying back. She's generally pretty smart at online stuff, but now thinks she's bought the wrong thing and they say the tests are non-refundable! How can they get this exemption from the usual distance selling regs?
DD Alex? DD??

Head over to the silly things that annoy thread and hand yourself in, there’s a good chap.

;-)
 
In the face of such chaos, K & I have done the only sensible thing. To keep it simple & avoid changes undermining our travel plans, we have cancelled our September trip (participation in picking impossible due to Brexit). And extended our stay for a month, thanks to the flexible mindset of my employer.
Now to book a table at Lameloise........
 
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So, apologies if this has been covered before, but it is hard to be sure about these things...

I am travelling to France with my partner and children on Monday. The adults have been double vaccinated, and the kids are under 12.

My understanding is that we do not need any Covid test results, we just need proof of vaccination and completed 'sworn statements' that we are symptom free.

Is that right?
 
So, apologies if this has been covered before, but it is hard to be sure about these things...

I am travelling to France with my partner and children on Monday. The adults have been double vaccinated, and the kids are under 12.

My understanding is that we do not need any Covid test results, we just need proof of vaccination and completed 'sworn statements' that we are symptom free.

Is that right?
You are good to go. My wife went over last weekend with the kids - my daughter is 11 - she (nor my wife) needed a test. However....note of caution....if you are going via Eurotunnel their website was still asking for scanned versions of your antigen/PCR test for kids...I just scanned a peice of text saying "she is under 12". Worked a treat.
 
Yes, as far as I can see (My parents come the following week and are fretting a bit). Assuming double Vax +14 days.

UNLESS your airline/Eurotunnel requires anything additional.
It’s double vaccinated plus 7 days not 14 Russell - since July 18th. My children both were admitted to France 12 days post second jab only on Sunday.
 
Government Xenophobia or idiocy?
Reunion is on the amber list despite the beta variant being dominant
France is on the quarantine amber + list... despite the beta variant being almost inexistant in France (Delta over 95% in Marseilles...).
It's utterly ridiculous. There has to be some UK government underlying reason for singling out France as a an Amber+ country. The Beta variant reason makes no sense so it has to be something else. Some combination of post-Brexit shenanigans over fishing rights, boosting staycations, preventing short breaks, a weird way to encourage people to take flights?
 
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They are today leaking that certain other popular destinations (e.g. Spain) could be put on an 'amber watchlist', i.e. could become red at any time. Presumbly this has been done to dissuade UK residents from leaving the country.
 
It's utterly ridiculous. There has to be some UK government underlying reason for singling out France as a an Amber+ country. The Beta variant reason makes no sense so it has to be something else. Some combination of post-Brexit shenanigans over fishing rights, boosting staycations, preventing short breaks, a weird way to encourage people to take flights?
They did boot us out of Calais in 1558. :mad:
 
The bit that I find confusing isn't at the rules level, so much as the objectives level.

I mean, presumably one of the following is the case:

a) you shouldn't go on holiday to other countries, except those on the green list

b) you should go on holiday to countries on the amber list if you want to, so long as you follow the rules

If b) is the case, then presumably the rules should be designed to facilitate holidays to amber countries safely. And here you get into debate about what the rules should look like, clouded by the usual issues of a) people don't all stick to rules and how the rulemakers take this into account, and b) the trade-off between simple of rules, and their resulting generalising nature, with consequent imperfections and inconsistencies, and more complex rules that are harder to understand.

But if a) is the case, then saying the rules make going on holiday in amber countries difficult seems a bit of a moot point, in that they're designed from a starting point that people aren't going on holiday there anyway.

I wonder if some confusion is arising, more broadly and not with regard to this thread, because there's lots of discussion of the rules themselves, rather than an emphasis whether a) or b) is the case.
 
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