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- Scotland
Anyone with any views on Henriot and their Brut Souverain NV in particular?
Henriot Champagne Advice
- Thread starter Paul Anderson
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Tom Cannavan
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Paul, if you've seen a good price and fancy some easy-drinking very high quality 'everyday' Champagne I wouldn't hesitate. It's been very good on my last couple of tastings.
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- Scotland
Thanks Tom - can get a 6 pack for £142.75 (£23.79/bottle).
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- Northampton
Paul that is a keen price but if you are a Costco member they are cheaper still.
Only disappointment was a recent NV Rose that had gone a bit rusty, perhaps too long in storage.
Whilst on Pinkies the Costco price on 2013 Roederer rose is very keen
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- Scotland
Ah well, the deed is done. I am a CostCo member and had a look online but couldn't see it. How much are they charging for it?
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- Northampton
Paul, not really that much different, apologies that I cannot type as quickly as you can click
....Just to add that when I went back to check they show as out of stock but The Roederer pink 13 is £49.99.
....Just to add that when I went back to check they show as out of stock but The Roederer pink 13 is £49.99.
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- Scotland
No problem - I wasn't expecting it to be significantly cheaper at CostCo, and now its out of stock anyway, which will explain why I couldn't find it. The Roederer Pink is well out of my price limit and I've bought far too much wine recently anyway, but thanks for the heads up.
p.s. I bought the Souverain from Vivino and I got an extra 15% BF discount which brought the price down to what I thought was reasonable for a decent champagne and a producer I've never tried before, so looking forward to it.
p.s. I bought the Souverain from Vivino and I got an extra 15% BF discount which brought the price down to what I thought was reasonable for a decent champagne and a producer I've never tried before, so looking forward to it.
Tom Cannavan
Administrator
Co-op and Sainsbury seem to have Piper at £25 again too.
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- Guildford
On the subject of Costco I saw that they are selling 6 bottles of Castello Banfi Brunello di Montalcino DOCG 2015 for just shy of £150, and you can get £10 off if you use a Mastercard today. Tom's tasting notes seem to suggest it is worth a punt:
Banfi, Brunello di Montalcino 2015 | wine-pages
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- Europe
I've usually enjoyed the Souverain.
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- Holmfirth
So have I but we’re currently most of the way through a case of 6 that seems curiously sweet, as though it had a very high dosage. Every bottle’s been the same.
Tom Cannavan
Administrator
Colin, I had an online tasting with the president and winemaker a couple of weeks agio, though not including the Souverain. I'm telling tales out of school here, but I wasn't happy when I asked specifically about the dosage on wine one, which wasn't in our tech information. The winemaker (newish) looked a bit nervous, the president then stepped in and said "we do not talk about dosage. Dosage is just a moment in time, two seconds of five year evolution, we do not think it something to dwell upon."
Thoroughly bizarre and illogical response, which of course leaves you assuming it is on the high side. Very reminiscent of Remy Krug when he used to come over all lyrical when asked for a specific blend, but never actually answered.
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- West Sussex
Bodes well for the magnums bought a few days ago from De Burgh...!!! I'll try to remember to come back to this thread in a couple of years once I drink them....
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- Europe
I think it's always been a bit sweet but haven't had it for a while so maybe they've increased dosage beyond what's required. I'm clearly not a zero dosage kind of guy.
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- London
Is the relationship between dosage and perceived sweetness linear?
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- Herefordshire
8g/l. There I’m off the Henriot Christmas list. The issue is not one of numbers (in that way I agree), but the fact that the unintegrated dosage sits
on the palate mid to finish because the bottles haven’t had enough post disgorgement aging (they should receive even more now they’re closed under DIAM)!
on the palate mid to finish because the bottles haven’t had enough post disgorgement aging (they should receive even more now they’re closed under DIAM)!
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- London
No. But as Steve notes below post disgorgement ageing is probably more important still.
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- Riga, Latvia
I am wondering where this Maison is heading. Very confusing communication. New chef de caves is young and promising, but from what I've seen on Instagram, she was busy digging graves in the vineyards. I stopped counting when she hitted 25. That must be some terroir & soils exploration project going on, but I must admit the current reputation of Henriot needs some lift. And graves don't help, I am afraid.
Not to mention they killed my long time favourite Cuvee des Enchanteleurs and rebranded it to Hemera tweaking the blend a little bit. And they couldn't choose a better vintage than 2005 to do that. Very much 'out of the box' thinking that brings even more confusion IMO. If you want to do a strong move and rebrand/relaunch, you wouldn't choose such a weak vintage to do so.
Tom, I am curious to hear your view on their current portfolio, but I believe they need a much more dramatic change than just the facelifting.
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- Holmfirth
Our case has reasonable post-disgorgement age - I can't recall exactly when we acquired it but at least two years ago and probably more. I suspect it's our palates that have changed - i.e. we've got used to drinking the drier cuvees being produced these days and now find the Henriot, which we used to think perfectly normal, over-sweet.
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- London
Just as a data point, anyone know if Henriot are cane or MCR?
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- Herefordshire
Cane/Beet I don’t know of any GM who has switched to MCR.
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- London
Thanks Steve. Interesting to know.
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- Herefordshire
I did a review a couple of years ago, and there were many stars (a Jero of the 2008 base blanc de blancs NV for example), were peppered with some let-downs: the 2008 vintage was way too mature for a newly released Champagne from that vintage.
I do prefer the "Hemera" tweek, Enchanteleurs having become almost an oenotheque release by default (rather than design), but I agree with you: they should have waiting iuntil 2008 for maxium gravitas.
FWIW, here is the piece I wrote for Tom, although it is a couple of years out of date (DIAM's have appeared in the meantime).
Family affair: all change at Champagne Henriot | wine-pages
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- Belfast, Northern Ireland
I got a 6 pack from De Burgh's delivered the other week with the WP offer.
Thoroughly decent tipple. If I had to criticise it in anyway, wee touch too much fruit.
Interesting what Steven said about maturity, the code ended with 19 so guessing a new release. But it did have a mature feel to it.
Thoroughly decent tipple. If I had to criticise it in anyway, wee touch too much fruit.
Interesting what Steven said about maturity, the code ended with 19 so guessing a new release. But it did have a mature feel to it.
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- West Sussex
Useful to know. Perhaps I’ll broach a magnum from the same batch/offer fairly soon. Will report back.
Did you notice any impact from the DIAM closure? Overt acidity/youthfulness? Too much fruit is the opposite of what I’d expect from DIAM so I view that as promising.