I just don’t get burgundy

Had a vertical tasting of Vasse Felix's 'Tom Cullity' Cabernet blend the other day - every vintage made so far, which is only 5. It's very expensive, but also truly impressive and in many ways very Left Bank-like. They sent full bottles, so I was also able to enjoy at leisure with food, which only reinfoced the impression. Quite a Bordeaux-like maritimr climate snd 50-year-old vines, so quite unlike some other Cab regions I suppose.
I have always felt WA Cabernet has a Bordeaux character to it, much more so than Cabernets from elsewhere in Australia.
 

Tom Cannavan

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I have always felt WA Cabernet has a Bordeaux character to it, much more so than Cabernets from elsewhere in Australia.

Agreed Kevin. I think there are great conditions for producing wines that are naturally more European in style, some old vines, and generally a sensibility to make wines like that from VF, Leeuwin, Cullen and others.
 
Cornas
Cote Rotie
Hermitage
Condrieu
Rioja
Barolo
Chianti

I’m not sure I can think of elsewhere in the world matches to these classic European regions off the top of my head?
I'm not sure that the syrah comparison is a fair one. I think many aussie shiaz are great, possibly equally good, just in a different style. And all power to them for not trying to be Cote-Rotie.
 
I'm not sure that the syrah comparison is a fair one. I think many aussie shiaz are great, possibly equally good, just in a different style. And all power to them for not trying to be Cote-Rotie.
I think the style *is* the point I was trying to make, Clonakilla SV is a great wine, but isn’t like good Cote Rotie. Edit: Probably a bad example. Who makes anything like Cornas elsewhere? I love Aus, NZ, SA Syrah, but don’t find much similarities personally.
 
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Are Rieslings with less than 10% made anywhere else?

There are some in Australia too, the one I have most often used to be called Auslese but obviously that has had to change. It's now Bellarmine Select Riesling and usually weighs in at 7.5% and around 50g/l RS. Bellarmine has German owners and they do make rather Germanic style rieslings (select, half dry and dry). Really good wines, located in Pemberton, Western Australia.

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Dave
 
I think you are cheating as there is no Nebbiolo, Sangiovese or Nerello outside of Italy is there? ;). I think we have to limit this game to grape varieties that are widely planted and widely available outside of their European homeland. So, if you are poised about to type "nothing compares to Armenian Voskehat," then save yourself the trouble :)
I remember seeing a Brown Brothers Nebbiolo in the dim and distant past. If they grew and vinified, I'm sure there must be other Aus producers.
 

Tom Cannavan

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There are actually loads of them in Australia - didn't Brash-Higgins ,who have Nero d'Avola and Zibibbo amongst others, do an offline with some forumites a few years ago? But there are loads of others doing every Italian variety you can think of and then some.
 
There are actually loads of them in Australia - didn't Brash-Higgins ,who have Nero d'Avola and Zibibbo amongst others, do an offline with some forumites a few years ago? But there are loads of others doing every Italian variety you can think of and then some.
I had a handful of good ‘uns. Brokenwood springs to mind.
But no need to look past LL.
From NZ, Hans Herzog Neb has considerable merit.
 
Max Allen's 2010 book (The Future Makers) refers to 90 wineries growing nebbiolo, over 100 hectares. A more recent online list has closer to 200 growers, all over the country. Hopefully a good portion of them are looking to Alto Piemonte for their model, rather than Barolo.
 
I am not yet a Burg disciple having not had the experience (or the money) to really explore it fully. At the moment John from A&B is creating a mix case of wines from this region at the lower end of the price range.

However, yesterday I saw a bottle of PYCM Volnay Taillepieds 2015 on there and went for it. I have always wanted to try a wine from this producer as ithey are always highly spoken of. I couldn’t find out much about it, but the £55 ib seemed a good price. More than I would normally spend though.

Any one had experience of this or could tell me anything more about it please?
 
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