NWR Music Streaming

So things have developed on the in-car audio front.

Unfortunately the amp (Zapco ST6X DSP) seems to have developed a fault where it will occasionally emit an unpleasant "static" crackle or pink noise hiss (even when the source is unplugged). The installer apologized and said that it is a new design of unit and it was a bit of a gamble putting it in, even though Zapco are generally well-regarded. Looking around on the Internet, I found a couple of other people with similar issues. The idea of having a DSP and power amp in one neat module is attractive, but it looks like we'll be going back to separate DSP and power amp going forward.

Also I have found that, while the amp does a fine job of pop/rock, it struggles a bit with some classical. Notably a strong solo piano recording (eg. Ashkenazy's Chopin Etudes) can give a fairly harsh and tiring sound that makes one want to turn the volume down (never a good sign!). As I noted above, a similar effect was observed when playing Charles Mutter's Strauss song recordings where Ilona's voice comes across a little grating (compared to domestic Hifi/Headphones). I generally associate this sort of problem to a non-flat midrange and lack of dynamic range - but this may be complete nonsense. I wonder if the speakers are still no run-in. Hopefully I can demonstrate to my audio guy and perhaps compare to another (higher spec) system he has installed in another vehicle. But perhaps some of the Hifi buffs here would have a view on where we might focus our efforts!
 
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As an addendum to this, I recently acquired a pair of Apple HomePod minis. Very impressive - kind of like headphones in terms of the immersive feel. I only got it to play with home automation, but this could be a game-changer for listening to music at home without being too loud.

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Hi all. We're looking at changing up our HiFi system so that everything is in order for when the Carringtons visit us post Australian Covid lockdown. :)

Present set-up:
Roksan Kandy Mk III CD Player
NVA AP70 Integrated Amp
GAUDER AKUSTIK Isophon Corvara Speakers (We've also got a pair of Paradigm Studio 60 V2)
QNAP NAS

We used to play loads of CDs until I ripped them "losslessly" to a NAS, from which we then streamed them via a:

Definitive Technology W Adapt

This seemed, at the time, like the perfect piece of kit. Connected up to the Amp and bingo, you could stream your CDs from your NAS over WiFi. Great, so I bought a few of their W series speakers as well. A couple of W9s and W7s and a W Studio Micro Soundbar. All of these speakers need the Play-Fi app to function/control the streaming.

Entering into our first lockdown last year we decided to give Tidal a go. We loved it so much that we haven't gone back to streaming ripped CDs from the QNAP NAS. It's only after all this, in trying to figure out why the Play-Fi app would often drop out, that we find out that 1) all music streamed is actually going through the app on the phone, and 2) to do this it... "DTS Play-Fi transmits hi-resolution files, but it does down-sample them so that they can be distributed throughout a home.". Great. Basically everything is compromised as the phone/app is not controlling the stream, it's actually streaming it. When it works.

We only really use Tidal now and would like to stream it at as good as quality as possible and as simply as possible. We're also interested in Roon, but do you really need this if you are only streaming from Tidal?

So, what's the simplest way to set up our system now?

A Roon Nucleus --> DAC --> Integrated Amp?

Also, can we salvage the Definitive Technology W Series speakers by hooking them up to a Roon Nucleus via Ethernet (and hence using them as a "dumb" speaker, bypassing WiFi and the Play-Fi App) and then controlling them via Roon?

All suggestions welcome!

Many thanks in advance.
 
Hi all. We're looking at changing up our HiFi system so that everything is in order for when the Carringtons visit us post Australian Covid lockdown. :)

Present set-up:
Roksan Kandy Mk III CD Player
NVA AP70 Integrated Amp
GAUDER AKUSTIK Isophon Corvara Speakers (We've also got a pair of Paradigm Studio 60 V2)
QNAP NAS

We used to play loads of CDs until I ripped them "losslessly" to a NAS, from which we then streamed them via a:

Definitive Technology W Adapt

This seemed, at the time, like the perfect piece of kit. Connected up to the Amp and bingo, you could stream your CDs from your NAS over WiFi. Great, so I bought a few of their W series speakers as well. A couple of W9s and W7s and a W Studio Micro Soundbar. All of these speakers need the Play-Fi app to function/control the streaming.

Entering into our first lockdown last year we decided to give Tidal a go. We loved it so much that we haven't gone back to streaming ripped CDs from the QNAP NAS. It's only after all this, in trying to figure out why the Play-Fi app would often drop out, that we find out that 1) all music streamed is actually going through the app on the phone, and 2) to do this it... "DTS Play-Fi transmits hi-resolution files, but it does down-sample them so that they can be distributed throughout a home.". Great. Basically everything is compromised as the phone/app is not controlling the stream, it's actually streaming it. When it works.

We only really use Tidal now and would like to stream it at as good as quality as possible and as simply as possible. We're also interested in Roon, but do you really need this if you are only streaming from Tidal?

So, what's the simplest way to set up our system now?

A Roon Nucleus --> DAC --> Integrated Amp?

Also, can we salvage the Definitive Technology W Series speakers by hooking them up to a Roon Nucleus via Ethernet (and hence using them as a "dumb" speaker, bypassing WiFi and the Play-Fi App) and then controlling them via Roon?

All suggestions welcome!

Many thanks in advance.
Interesting.... I guess there's no "Tidal Connect" possibility in the same way that there is with Spotify? Silly question, but have you asked Definitive Technology support?
 
A great to see this thread pop up. Well after much thinking, I have got myself a proper Frankenstein's monster of a setup that will be hated by purist and nerd alike...

Sonos Port (streaming lossless rips from my NAS) -> Musical Fidelity X-24K DAC -> KRK8S2 active Sub + a pair of KRK Rokit RP5 G4.

I stream the MacBook through a Komplete Audio 1 USB interface into the same speakers - and have the most auditorily pleasing Zoom calls in West London.

What I find the most fun about it is this simple switch for the music sources. Gives me a feeling of satisfaction as I wait for my seventh conference call of the day to begin...

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Interesting.... I guess there's no "Tidal Connect" possibility in the same way that there is with Spotify? Silly question, but have you asked Definitive Technology support?

Hi all. We're looking at changing up our HiFi system so that everything is in order for when the Carringtons visit us post Australian Covid lockdown. :)

Present set-up:
Roksan Kandy Mk III CD Player
NVA AP70 Integrated Amp
GAUDER AKUSTIK Isophon Corvara Speakers (We've also got a pair of Paradigm Studio 60 V2)
QNAP NAS

We used to play loads of CDs until I ripped them "losslessly" to a NAS, from which we then streamed them via a:

Definitive Technology W Adapt

This seemed, at the time, like the perfect piece of kit. Connected up to the Amp and bingo, you could stream your CDs from your NAS over WiFi. Great, so I bought a few of their W series speakers as well. A couple of W9s and W7s and a W Studio Micro Soundbar. All of these speakers need the Play-Fi app to function/control the streaming.

Entering into our first lockdown last year we decided to give Tidal a go. We loved it so much that we haven't gone back to streaming ripped CDs from the QNAP NAS. It's only after all this, in trying to figure out why the Play-Fi app would often drop out, that we find out that 1) all music streamed is actually going through the app on the phone, and 2) to do this it... "DTS Play-Fi transmits hi-resolution files, but it does down-sample them so that they can be distributed throughout a home.". Great. Basically everything is compromised as the phone/app is not controlling the stream, it's actually streaming it. When it works.

We only really use Tidal now and would like to stream it at as good as quality as possible and as simply as possible. We're also interested in Roon, but do you really need this if you are only streaming from Tidal?

So, what's the simplest way to set up our system now?

A Roon Nucleus --> DAC --> Integrated Amp?

Also, can we salvage the Definitive Technology W Series speakers by hooking them up to a Roon Nucleus via Ethernet (and hence using them as a "dumb" speaker, bypassing WiFi and the Play-Fi App) and then controlling them via Roon?

All suggestions welcome!

Many thanks in advance.
You should check out references here to Bluesound node2i - that might plug your gap.
 
Hi all. We're looking at changing up our HiFi system so that everything is in order for when the Carringtons visit us post Australian Covid lockdown. :)

Present set-up:
Roksan Kandy Mk III CD Player
NVA AP70 Integrated Amp
GAUDER AKUSTIK Isophon Corvara Speakers (We've also got a pair of Paradigm Studio 60 V2)
QNAP NAS

We used to play loads of CDs until I ripped them "losslessly" to a NAS, from which we then streamed them via a:

Definitive Technology W Adapt

This seemed, at the time, like the perfect piece of kit. Connected up to the Amp and bingo, you could stream your CDs from your NAS over WiFi. Great, so I bought a few of their W series speakers as well. A couple of W9s and W7s and a W Studio Micro Soundbar. All of these speakers need the Play-Fi app to function/control the streaming.

Entering into our first lockdown last year we decided to give Tidal a go. We loved it so much that we haven't gone back to streaming ripped CDs from the QNAP NAS. It's only after all this, in trying to figure out why the Play-Fi app would often drop out, that we find out that 1) all music streamed is actually going through the app on the phone, and 2) to do this it... "DTS Play-Fi transmits hi-resolution files, but it does down-sample them so that they can be distributed throughout a home.". Great. Basically everything is compromised as the phone/app is not controlling the stream, it's actually streaming it. When it works.

We only really use Tidal now and would like to stream it at as good as quality as possible and as simply as possible. We're also interested in Roon, but do you really need this if you are only streaming from Tidal?

So, what's the simplest way to set up our system now?

A Roon Nucleus --> DAC --> Integrated Amp?

Also, can we salvage the Definitive Technology W Series speakers by hooking them up to a Roon Nucleus via Ethernet (and hence using them as a "dumb" speaker, bypassing WiFi and the Play-Fi App) and then controlling them via Roon?

All suggestions welcome!

Many thanks in advance.
Travis,
On the assumption that going forward you are may want to concentrate on Tidal’s top tier then the MQA certified DAC’s, of which there are a number are perhaps the starting/centering point for your next investment.I would though try to get a DAC that does as many different Top level streaming flavours by that I mean ones that as well as Tidal are approved for Qobuz, Sony, Amazon etc and their respective Versions of Hi Res or High bitrate.
I fell out of love with MQA pretty quickly personally, but I sometimes see the earth as flat.
If anyone remembers the late 70’s dbx range expanders that is a bit how I feel MQA is.
Roon does seem the most comprehensive of platforms and seems used by everyone who is serious about streaming audio, so that is an easy choice.
Good Luck!
 
Travis,
On the assumption that going forward you are may want to concentrate on Tidal’s top tier then the MQA certified DAC’s, of which there are a number are perhaps the starting/centering point for your next investment.I would though try to get a DAC that does as many different Top level streaming flavours by that I mean ones that as well as Tidal are approved for Qobuz, Sony, Amazon etc and their respective Versions of Hi Res or High bitrate.
I fell out of love with MQA pretty quickly personally, but I sometimes see the earth as flat.
If anyone remembers the late 70’s dbx range expanders that is a bit how I feel MQA is.
Roon does seem the most comprehensive of platforms and seems used by everyone who is serious about streaming audio, so that is an easy choice.
Good Luck!
What does Roon do? I’ve had a gander abs can’t quite see why you’d want to pay extra for something that does what Tidal already does. Or am I missing something (highly likely I’d say!)?
 
What does Roon do? I’ve had a gander abs can’t quite see why you’d want to pay extra for something that does what Tidal already does. Or am I missing something (highly likely I’d say!)?
Organises your music collection and integrates it completely and seamlessly with streaming services, collects articles, covers etc from serious internet sources like Allmusic and further integrates these into a browsable magazine like format.

On the technical front allows you to see what formats things are in and allows you to eq, run consistent volumes across different formats and about a billion gazillion other probably unnecessary things.

If and when my D&D actives are finally made Roon compatible it will allow me to run a system that looks like;

Tidal ==> Roon Nucleus ==>D&D

with everything controlled by Roon at the front end. The simplest and cleanest solution imaginable, with my ripped CD collection on the Nucleus, Tidal as the streaming source, all integrated and controlled by an iPad and the D&D providing all amplification and noise.

Roon is the glue that holds everything together and provides a beautiful and usable interface.
 
Organises your music collection and integrates it completely and seamlessly with streaming services, collects articles, covers etc from serious internet sources like Allmusic and further integrates these into a browsable magazine like format.

On the technical front allows you to see what formats things are in and allows you to eq, run consistent volumes across different formats and about a billion gazillion other probably unnecessary things.

If and when my D&D actives are finally made Roon compatible it will allow me to run a system that looks like;

Tidal ==> Roon Nucleus ==>D&D

with everything controlled by Roon at the front end. The simplest and cleanest solution imaginable, with my ripped CD collection on the Nucleus, Tidal as the streaming source, all integrated and controlled by an iPad and the D&D providing all amplification and noise.

Roon is the glue that holds everything together and provides a beautiful and usable interface.
You're integrating your hifi with your dungeons and dragons games? Sounds AWESOME!
 
I don’t know if you can get Naim products in Australia, but we have some of their streaming kit and it is excellent. We have two Muso streamers and all of our CDs ripped to a Naim Core. We stream from the Core and Tidal and the sound quality (over Wi-fi) is excellent. We also have the Core linked to our main Linn system through a Chord DAC (after my Linn Numeric blew up!) and the sound quality is at least as good if not better than CD (all ripped to WAV). We demo’d a Naim streamer against the Chord DAC but decided we were unlikely to stream Tidal through the Linn system, and the Chord DAC was much cheaper.
 
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