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It does seem that the decline if flattening off, the same with hospital rates and death rates. Looks like those who suggested a high level of infections with little decline or increase seem perhaps to have modelled it right. Glad we avoided the 100k plus though sadly it does not look like it will be the same as last summer where we had such a rapid fall. Not sure what this means for winter.
Hopefully, it means less people to be infected in regular flu season which was the whole idea of relaxing in july rather than later.
 
Interesting article in the weekend ft where various scientists admitted they had been overly pessimistic about the effect of the 19/7 relaxation for the simple reason that people had actually ignored it and continued with very limited close contact interaction. Hence, the same acientists were warning again about the risks of cases rising rapidly whenever people did start reverting to more normal levels of social interaction. In effect, all the scare mongering served to defeat the whole purpose of the relaxation ie to have an increase now rather than in the autumn.
 
Daughter just tested positive, having been at the Boardmasters super-spreading event (double jabbed many weeks ago). Gutted that she'll now miss the family holiday. What with Richard's family getting it, this is very common. Fortunately just cold-like symptoms.
Although now she tells us that she thinks the festival should have been cancelled, as it was obvious that no precautions were actually being taken. The assurances of the organisers were just lipservice and the people at the entries didn't even look at the vaccine status on the app. I've not had the unkindness to point out that if she thought it should have been cancelled, she should have turned around and walked out. Guess that's one of the problems with a nanny state - one loses a sense of thinking for oneself about safety matters. :-(
 
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Guess that's one of the problems with a nanny state - one loses a sense of thinking for oneself about safety matters

Just because it's not explicitly banned doesn't mean it's a good idea

all the scare mongering served to defeat the whole purpose of the relaxation ie to have an increase now rather than in the autumn

I'm being called back to the office in Moorgate in September and from what I hear others are too. I would have thought that's likely to create the spread that they were planning for, perhaps a month or so later
 
Just because it's not explicitly banned doesn't mean it's a good idea



I'm being called back to the office in Moorgate in September and from what I hear others are too. I would have thought that's likely to create the spread that they were planning for, perhaps a month or so later
Post holiday season will clearly be key. I was in the wharf yesterday and it was about 10% of pre-covid occupancy.
 
In effect, all the scare mongering served to defeat the whole purpose of the relaxation ie to have an increase now rather than in the autumn.
Unless I missed it there was no communication whatever to the public that this was the intention and that we should stop all precautions. It seems to me that frankness with the population is not always a bad thing, though it is perfectly understandable for people not to wish to contract what can be a pretty nasty illness with possible long term effects.
 
My daughter 34 was fully vaccinated and got Covid 12 days ago with quite severe symptoms (except luckily no respiratory problems). Of course, this is only one example but given she was in a crowd without mask, she probably got a high initial charge. She is now better (although I am not sure as I am many hundred miles away...)
 
Exactly; which is why it seemed to me so grotesquely irresponsible that so many in parliament were not wearing masks yesterday.
I'm not really sure why they were there at all.

I listened for around half an hour and all I heard was opinions that have been aired in the press for the last few days, couched in pompous rhetoric, with a smattering of party political point-scoring. Maybe I missed something, but what was the point?

Yes, what is happening is important, but what was gained by recalling parliament? And if it must be recalled, why not remotely? We seem to achieve as much (very little) in an online forum :)
 
Unless I missed it there was no communication whatever to the public that this was the intention and that we should stop all precautions. It seems to me that frankness with the population is not always a bad thing, though it is perfectly understandable for people not to wish to contract what can be a pretty nasty illness with possible long term effects.
Not sure about official communication but it was widely discussed at the time as I recall.
 
In effect, all the scare mongering served to defeat the whole purpose of the relaxation ie to have an increase now rather than in the autumn.
If we continue to monger scare, maybe the increase will not happen in the autumn either, and it will be "mission acomplished".

I do begin to wonder what the end game will be like though. As was pointed out in the Zoe video I posted earlier today, case rates AND death rates are now soaring in Israel, possibly because they were quick off the mark with vaccination, and used too short an interval between vaccinations, so the vaccination immunity is now wearing off - nobody really knows.
 
In effect, all the scare mongering served to defeat the whole purpose of the relaxation ie to have an increase now rather than in the autumn.
... just like last year? ... given the very limited understanding of this virus, this is a pretty irresponsible strategy... a similar case could have been made to delay the current wave so that we get the low tide in Winter. Given the random mutations of the virus... purposefully elevating the number of cases in order to manage the pandemy 6 months down the lane looks like foolhardiness to me.
 
Surely still too early to call this? Until New Zealand opens up to the rest of the world, we still don't know if their strategy will have proven to be a good one. In a funny way, Covid could be the saviour of inept governement if in the long run it deals an equally bad blow to countries of all levels of competence.
 
If we continue to monger scare, maybe the increase will not happen in the autumn either, and it will be "mission acomplished".

I do begin to wonder what the end game will be like though. As was pointed out in the Zoe video I posted earlier today, case rates AND death rates are now soaring in Israel, possibly because they were quick off the mark with vaccination, and used too short an interval between vaccinations, so the vaccination immunity is now wearing off - nobody really knows.
Not sure about the nobody really knows comment. Israel gained priority access to the vaccines in the first place because it agreed to share data from the program. That data is now showing pretty clearly that vaccine effectiveness drops meaningfully about 8 months post the 2nd jab. Hence, the problems in Israel compared to here since most people here still have a few months until they hit that 8 month point. That finding is what is driving western countries this week to announce booster programmes to be administered in q3/4. The UK data also released this week still showed strong protection from the vaccines vs delta which is the most important point. Net, net, if boosters maintain that level of protection we should avoid the Israeli situation.
 
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