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Everyone seems to be expecting numbers to increase again. What's interesting is that in France numbers are falling rapidly again despite the Delta variant being prevalent and no material difference in vaccination rates. Only difference seems to be mask wearing.
Being just back, I immediately noted masks are not worn in London while shopkeepers tell you off in France if you don't wear a mask.... Ref vaccination rates, while proportion vaccinated don't look that different, once you look at unvaccinated numbers, the difference looks bigger (as unvaccinated are much smaller numbers than vaccinated...)

More depressing, fruits and vegetables are readily available in large diversity and quantities in France while Waitrose looks quite a bit deprived... but of course, diet is not an element in this pandemic.
 
It seems to me that we are more or less back to 'normal' here. I hope that doesn't quickly become something that we regret.
The French government's success in turning round what was a far more vaccine sceptical country than the UK seems to me remarkable.
Don't worry Tom, given the awful numbers in Jan-Feb (1000-1500 deaths a day...), nowadays numbers of 100-200 daily deaths look very good.... the magic of statistics... Frightening!... or not to worry?
 
Being just back, I immediately noted masks are not worn in London while shopkeepers tell you off in France if you don't wear a mask.... Ref vaccination rates, while proportion vaccinated don't look that different, once you look at unvaccinated numbers, the difference looks bigger (as unvaccinated are much smaller numbers than vaccinated...)

More depressing, fruits and vegetables are readily available in large diversity and quantities in France while Waitrose looks quite a bit deprived... but of course, diet is not an element in this pandemic.
I think vegetables have always been noticeably disappointing in the UK supermarkets so we’re just missing more bad vegetables… Natoora seem to have not been affected which is good.
 
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We seem to have jumped up 20 in the past couple of days. Of course hard to pinpoint the causes but not good. Assuming (which seems a fair assumption I think) that masks make a big difference, it does seem that enforcing a strict mask mandate will make any coming lockdown less likely or at least shorter.

As they say - the best time for a strictly enforced mask mandate was in July, the second best time is now...
 
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I gather the informal threshold for reintroducing restrictions was 50,000 deaths on an annual basis = c. 1,000/week = 143/day. Maybe we will all be told to WFH again soon :)

Be a shame if the burgeoning offline diary can't be fulfilled though.
 
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We seem to have jumped up 20 in the past couple of days. Of course hard to pinpoint the causes but not good. Assuming (which seems a fair assumption I think) that masks make a big difference, it does seem that enforcing a strict mask mandate will make any coming lockdown less likely or at least shorter.

As they say - the best time for a strictly enforced mask mandate was in July, the second best time is now...
I don’t think that is accurate Leon as it’s the reporting date not date of death. That has seen an increase from about 90 at the start of August to just under 115 now. With it pretty flat and slightly declining in the last few weeks.
 
This is the government’s advice directly from Gov.uk
“The government expects and recommends that people wear face coverings in crowded and enclosed areas where you come into contact with people you do not normally meet, such as public transport.”

How often do they mention that?

I would argue that a crowded pub, shop etc were the same.
 
Except that smoking cannabis is illegal and not wearing a mask isn’t.

It’s personal choice now, and if they’re not wearing them in the chamber it shows that MPs don’t really think masks offer any protection at all. Either that or they’re not worried about catching Covid.
 
I've been absolutely knocked sideways yesterday afternoon and today by what appears to be a brutal cold. I tested both days for COVID (negative) and I do now have the sniffles - so maybe I'm just an early adopter of the new-season cold strain? i guess for those who have underlying conditions, this is the kind of thing in autumn that will stretch the NHS.
I'm generally lucky with this kind of thing and generally have my annual "I've got a cold" week around autumn. Last time I was sick was my underwhelming Covid experience back in March 2020!

Roll on a magnum of Nightnurse tonight.

edit: what I was going to say (but forgot in my somewhat frazzled state) is that I've been working in the office all week - taking trains (not tube) and also went to the pub Thursday. I would imagine this kind of standard cold in normal times would not register, but now I'm banning myself from the office for a week out of respect for my colleagues. Interesting how behaviour changes so quickly - 2 years ago I'd have struggled in
 
I've been absolutely knocked sideways yesterday afternoon and today by what appears to be a brutal cold.
We are suffering from the same thing, one of the drawbacks of babysitting for grandkids just after the return to school, a normally fairly vicious combo. We'd quite forgotten how nasty the common cold can be not having caught one since Boxing Day 2019, but ran through the covid test stuff until we got bored with it, no, it's just a cold! The much shorter incubation period is a bit of a giveaway...
 
For double-jabbed people (i.e. most of the population), three of the four most common Covid symptoms are the same as the symptoms of the common cold - runny nose, sneezing and sore throat. Ideally you should be able to get from the NHS a PCR test with those symptoms, to better inform whether you should self-isolate, but they are not officially recognised here in the UK.

(Second most common is headache, and fifth is loss of sense of smell.)

Repeated lateral flow tests are better than nothing, but if the first gives a false negative, subsequent ones may give the same result for the same reasons the first one "failed".
 
I would imagine this kind of standard cold in normal times would not register, but now I'm banning myself from the office for a week out of respect for my colleagues. Interesting how behaviour changes so quickly - 2 years ago I'd have struggled in
Sound sensible to me.

I suspect this is going to be part of the "new normal" . Hopefully along with more mask-wearing among people with viral infections, and better ventilation in buildings. If it reduces cold and flu infections, as well as Covid, so much the better.
 
I’m another cold sufferer, two nasty ones in quick succession. Had two pcr tests during the first one as travelling to Spain both negative.
 
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Yep. Been through that one too. Two pretty heavy weeks. Two negative lateral flow tests.
I thought that I was pretty au fait with the symptoms but was horrified to find that exactly as per Steve’s post the symptoms for the double jabbed are exactly those of a summer cold.
The one thing that makes me tend to think the lateral flow results are correct is that I spent a week in close contact with four others, none of whom subsequently came down with anything. I would assume that if it were as transmissible as Covid delta you might reasonably expect other victims in that situation.
 
I thought that I was pretty au fait with the symptoms but was horrified to find that exactly as per Steve’s post the symptoms for the double jabbed are exactly those of a summer cold.
In fact they are not too different for the unvaccinated, but the precise top 5 list might not be exactly the same

The Zoe project is responsible for indentifying the main symptoms, and its leader, Tim Spector, regularly criticises the government for not publicising them. Apparently some foreign governments have been more open on the subject
 
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