NWR new zero tolerance covid thread

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Are you currently in England? Any reason not to use the free NHS one?

Sorry for the basic questions but I've always used the gov.uk website to book a PCR and my local testing centre is fifteen minutes walk away and always empty
 
Are you currently in England? Any reason not to use the free NHS one?

Sorry for the basic questions but I've always used the gov.uk website to book a PCR and my local testing centre is fifteen minutes walk away and always empty
I checked a couple of days ago, and it seemed that you needed to have "official" symptom to get an NHS test, or a positive lateral flow. Is that wrong? Must admit I only skim-read the information
 
The advice is to get a PCR test if you have any of the following symptoms (I don't):
  • a high temperature
  • a new, continuous cough
  • you’ve lost your sense of smell or taste or it’s changed
 
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That's a good point but who's to say precisely what symptoms you have? Plus if your symptoms are those of a vaccinated person with Covid (as you say) surely that list is out of date
 
That's a good point but who's to say precisely what symptoms you have? Plus if your symptoms are those of a vaccinated person with Covid (as you say) surely that list is out of date
Still the official current list, but ignoring research results that have been known for weeks/months.

I think that is what's called following the science. It's certainly not keeping up with it.
 
Comments today suggest it was partly because of better immunity outcomes, partly AZ's occasional clotting effect, but also because the MRNA vaccines are less suitable for the developing world because of the cold chain required compared to AZ.
Yes I remember reading that tests were ongoing and South Korea also had a small sample trial of AZ and PZ which performed best with a higher response than two AZ doses so guess it makes sense. I will try and find the UK results.
 
Comments today suggest it was partly because of better immunity outcomes, partly AZ's occasional clotting effect, but also because the MRNA vaccines are less suitable for the developing world because of the cold chain required compared to AZ.
Additionally, some time ago there were suggestions that a booster of a different type (and most over-50s were AVed) might be more effective, but I haven't heard that has been substantiated
 
Interesting they are running with the mRNA vaccines for the booster. Moderna a half dose at that.
The reason (at least in theory) was that human body will generate anti-adenovirus antibodies after two doses of adenovirus vector vaccine (such as AZ), which would decrease the efficacy if the booster use the same type of adenovirus as carrier. Like the body also learns to recognise and stop the carrier vans, not only the stuffs inside.
Then there was a research showing even all three jabs are AZ, the third dose can still boost antibody level (apparently some vans can still deliver when you send out 50,000,000,000 vans at once). But theoretically it's less ideal.

Moderna has 100mcg per dose, BNT has 30mcg. Most scientists think it's higher than necessary. There were studies showing even a quarter dose of Moderna can generate good antibody. Though the original phase 3 clinical trial was done with 100mcg, so they don't want to change that for the first two doses scheme.
 
I've just found an anti-vax "people-funded paper" on my doorstep. It's called The Light and seems convinced that government Covid data are lies, PCR tests mostly false positives, the vaccine is part of "the great reset" to reduce population through infertility and therefore those refusing vaccination are a crucial "control group" who won't be infertile which will prove the "great reset" plot is real and lead to mass revolt.

Sprinkled between the anti-vax pieces are articles questioning anthropogenic climate change, bizarre grudge tirades and a training course for "Common Law Constables" which sounds like the starting point for some sort of US-style militia.

It includes quite a bit of content about governments using Covid to justify oppression outside the UK, mostly US but also France, Germany, Canada, Israel etc. and the term "globalists" is used which is a common alt-right term, often anti-semitically loaded.

It's quite a similar approach to the patchwork assemblages used in 9/11 conspiracy theories after 2001. Pick and mix things which look like evidence on the assumption that people are too busy, untrained or innoculated against counter-evidence to do the necessary checking, then sit back and wait for the book sales, clicks and course participants to come rolling in.

It's essentially an anglicised potage of the agenda now dominant in the Republican party which, just like the formerly sensible Conservative Party here, has lost its compass.

Presumably the newspaper format is intended to reach those who don't bother with social media.

It's interesting how those nudging us towards the destruction of liberty believe they are protecting us from forces which seek to deprive us of liberty. Humans often believe about others what they cannot bear to believe about themselves.

I wonder what "people-funded" really means.

I was actually pretty shocked to find this lying outside my door.

Tom, if any of this strays beyond the brief for the thread I'd be happy to fillet it.
 
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Not sure why but France running at c. 1/4 the UK's # of new cases/day/100k population but over twice as many people in ICU. Seems very odd.
Dan: Could not find ICU numbers for UK. Total in ICU in France is 1959 of which 119 new (previous day)

France : 9144 new cases, less than 100/100000, 9555 total in hospital and 1959 in ICU, 452 new (day) admissions in hospital, and 119 new admissions in ICU and 80 deaths according to latest numbers
UK: 30597 new cases, 8140 total in hospital, ?? in ICU around 700 new admissions in hospital and 201 daily deaths from Guardian latest. Could only find admission in hospital not in ICU.
 
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