NWR new zero tolerance covid thread

New cases can easily be affected by the testing numbers and criteria. Especially now with higher vaccine rates leading to less sever illnesses.
However, do we know how the vaccine rates compare.
I hear passports and mask wearing are common in France. Clearly not in the uk.
 
France is now ahead in vaccination rates (despite all the antivaxx. Positivity of tests is less than 100/100000. Mask wearing is compulsory in France, clearly not here.
 
Rather a threatening term, like 'the people's priorities', which certainly scares me.
I am a bit more conspiracy-loving (but probably not wrong in this case). When some activitists need to especially address that the movement is "people-funded", the funding most possibly is not mainly from common people. It is no secret that anti-vaxx/anti-mask/anti-restriction movement got support from right wing groups, and right wing groups got money from God-knows-where.
 
I hear passports and mask wearing are common in France. Clearly not in the uk.
In Paris masking indoors and in the métro and on buses is mandatory and overwhelmingly followed (there are some -- maybe 5% or a little more -- who do the nose-hanging-over-the-mask thing), but overall I'm impressed by the compliance, which is comparable to San Francisco (also very mask compliant). Restaurants and museums require proof of vaccination, a negative test within 72 hours, or proof of covid infection within the past 6 months, and my experience here is that the rules are strictly followed (a few restaurants where I'm a regular might not have insisted if I didn't have the pass with me, but I always do).
 
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I think the difference in France is not a more compliant culture but, because the French state is geared up for it, a willingness to police the rules. In London (because I can't speak for anywhere else in the UK), all rules have essentially been subject to no more pressure than 'moral suasion' - with the exception obviously of the travel restrictions since there's a pre-existing structure for checking compliance
 
It’s amazing how being in favour of civil liberties has become far right, whilst being in favour of state control & restrictions is deemed the centre ground. Has the centre ground become the far left?
Loving civil liberties is not the issue here, Dominic. Spreading misinformation (some are just plain lies) is. Whatever ground you are on, it has to be based on facts.
 
I think the difference in France is not a more compliant culture but, because the French state is geared up for it, a willingness to police the rules. In London (because I can't speak for anywhere else in the UK), all rules have essentially been subject to no more pressure than 'moral suasion' - with the exception obviously of the travel restrictions since there's a pre-existing structure for checking compliance
Quite probably so, Tom. I understand that fines here are high. But if you look at the pictures of the weekly demonstrations against the passe sanitaire, even though they take place outdoors, there is a fair percentage wearing masks.
 
The headlines are misleading - you no longer need to book as PCR test for taking on day 2 after you return, but you still have to do a test - lateral flow is acceptable.

You have not needed to do a PCR test before returning: lateral flow has been acceptable for that, at least for quite a while - and I think is still required.
 
You have not needed to do a PCR test before returning: lateral flow has been acceptable for that, at least for quite a while - and I think is still required.
From October 4, it appears you no longer need a pre-departure test of any kind, if you are fully vaccinated.
 
A (hopefully) theoretical question… Just wondering if (trying to ignore ethical considerations) it would be legal for NHS to prioritise treatment of vaccinated sick Covid patients over unvaccinated?
in as far as making a medical decision on patients most likely to respond positively to treatment - surely this happens all the time. As a punitive measure against people deemed to be making decisions which are bad for their health - even when, as you asked, I try to ignore ethical considerations…seems pretty counter productive.
 
A (hopefully) theoretical question… Just wondering if (trying to ignore ethical considerations) it would be legal for NHS to prioritise treatment of vaccinated sick Covid patients over unvaccinated?

Would it be legal for the NHS to prioritise treatment of slim patients over fat patients? Non-drinkers over drinkers?
 
From October 4, it appears you no longer need a pre-departure test of any kind, if you are fully vaccinated.
This is suitably vague:

From the end of October, eligible fully vaccinated passengers and those with an approved vaccine from a select group of non-red countries will be able to replace their day 2 test with a cheaper lateral flow test, reducing the cost of tests on arrival into England. The government wants to introduce this by the end of October, aiming to have it in place for when people return from half-term breaks.

What’s meant by the end of October? Literally it would be midnight on Sunday 31st which wouldn’t help anyone wanting to be back for the beginning of the week.
 
This is suitably vague:

From the end of October, eligible fully vaccinated passengers and those with an approved vaccine from a select group of non-red countries will be able to replace their day 2 test with a cheaper lateral flow test, reducing the cost of tests on arrival into England. The government wants to introduce this by the end of October, aiming to have it in place for when people return from half-term breaks.

What’s meant by the end of October? Literally it would be midnight on Sunday 31st which wouldn’t help anyone wanting to be back for the beginning of the week.
The government has said they hope it will be in place for the end of October half term. I wouldn't plan on it before November though. Seems too risky.
 
I am a bit more conspiracy-loving (but probably not wrong in this case). When some activitists need to especially address that the movement is "people-funded", the funding most possibly is not mainly from common people. It is no secret that anti-vaxx/anti-mask/anti-restriction movement got support from right wing groups, and right wing groups got money from God-knows-where.
I look forward to a time when more of that lot follow the example of Alberta's Kenney in admitting they got it wrong and change course: Alberta reverses hands-off approach to Covid to tackle ‘crisis of unvaccinated’

When this happens across the world I shall describe it as The Decline Of Swivel-eye-zation.
 
View attachment 21110Is it political to wonder whether this morning's gathering took place within the spirit or the letter of official advice? I really do not know.
I hear now that an MP who was in parliament unmasked now as Covid, he’s double jabbed so probably already on the mend. Wish him well etc. But how can that go on?
Mind you I’m increasingly feeling lonely wearing my mask to shops.
 
I hear now that an MP who was in parliament unmasked now as Covid, he’s double jabbed so probably already on the mend. Wish him well etc. But how can that go on?
Mind you I’m increasingly feeling lonely wearing my mask to shops.
You're not alone, Russ. Plenty of us are sticking to sensible rules and opting out of situations where that isn't possible. Quite keen on, er, following the, um, actual um, science.
 
Another week and the trailing 7 day average death rate has climbed up by 5 again - the equivalent of introducing something as deadly as the automobile into the country in a week. Covid is still under 10% of deaths but at this rate will get there in a month or so.

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It does feel a bit boiling frog at this stage. Mask up people!
 
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