It does seem that the recent rise in cases has been concentrated amongst the young, and there is a school of thought that the school age groups are now approaching herd immunity and cases will therefore start to drop naturally in 2-3 weeks. Time will tell, but hospitalisations are still way below even the most optimistic Sage predictions in July. Reasons to be positive.
It would be nice at least to to be told in more detail where any problems lie, and what is being done about it. It is unclear to me how allowing people to book 1 month in advance is going to help. Unless of course the invitation to book counts as "being offered" the booster, and the goal is to manipulate that metric. Cynical, moi?It remains odd to me why the resources being poured into test and trace aren't being put instead into ensuring the boosters are fully delivered in a few weeks rather than many months. Or, at least, why we're not even seriously attempting the latter.
I'm surprised you would not need to identify yourself. Surely it would be sensible to check your medical history, including vaccinations, and make sure your GP is informed...?I just walked in last week and asked, no problem, no wait-and had I not wished to identify myself in any way there would still have been no problem, which seems to me very sensible indeed.
I was surprised to discover that the AZ vaccine is no longer being administered in the UK.
It would, but it's surely a good thing that the vaccine is available to those completely outside the system, and there are very many people not registered with GPs etc, as I wasn't for many years.I'm surprised you would not need to identify yourself. Surely it would be sensible to check your medical history, including vaccinations, and make sure your GP is informed...?
I vaguely remember that too, but I also vaguely remember the evidence was sketchy, or possibly the idea was just a hypothesis. Anyway, it doesn't seem to be mentioned much now. Presumably, as we get data from different countries we will have more certainty.I can't point at it, but I seem to remember there being some evidence that having a booster of a different type to the initial two vaccinations was somewhat more beneficial.
Locally you explicitly don't have to, although it is of course encouraged.But maybe I misunderstand you @Thom Blach. In the vaccination centre, you do not have to PROVE your ID, but under normal circumstances you have to identify yourself in the sense that you need to give a name, date of birth and address (which you could lie about). And that all sounds good too me.
Erm.FT today: "England has recorded its longest unbroken run of declining daily covid caseloads since February, as covid related hospital admissions begin to fall in every region of the country...". Crucially, case rates in older people have continued to decline rapidly since the peak in early october. So, is it the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning? Hopefully, the former. Certainly, calls by Starmer and others a few weeks ago for Plan B to be implemented immediately look a bit premature to say the least. Meanwhile, the 4th wave seems to be hitting some parts of the continent despite their more extensive restrictions and even more worryingly, the surge in cases in germany has come with a similar increase in ICU admittance and death rates despite high vaccine rates.
My question would still be: what's the problem of plan B? What real "damage" it would bring?
I went to Paris in late October, most restaurants and bars check vaccine pass, but Saturday everywhere was packed. I don't see business suffering like some people here described. The metro was incredibly crowded even most people still wearing mask, apparently people go on doing what they plan. When British have higher vaccination rate than France, why vaccine pass was described by HMG and some others like an issue here?
Why we should have not implemented plan B, which by its weak nature may not stop virus spreading but still could a) make the peak lower and coming down quicker than "let the virus run its course (herd immunity?)" b) decrease the chance unvaccinated people exposed to the virus in public venues hence save their lives and NHS resources?
Germany has less than 68% people fully vaccinated. That looks similar to England but as we discussed earlier, the vaccination rate for higher age groups in the UK is incredibly high. Germany also have higher totally unvaccinated people ratio. Also from FT:
This will surely cause, quoting Aljezeera, “pandemic of the unvaccinated” in hospitals.
If case number and hospitalisation get worse in say, Portugal, it will be more worrying.
Infectious disease spreading has many factors involved, so the peaks can often seem up and down 'for no reason'. It's extra complicate when there is vaccination involved. But the basic principle always stand: decrease the transmission, increase the vaccination rate, and limit/shield the unvaccinated ones exposure.
Dan,- what’s the point if it’s not working cf germany and several other countries in europe
- if the real aim is to get to herd immunity as quickly as possible and in all circumstances before the nhs faces the full winter flu surge, then there’s an obvious problem in not letting it run through the young population now who are all, to any meaningful extent, unaffected by covid.
As I noted before, people dying now are invariably people with multiple other health issues. They are dying with covid, not necessarily because of covid. Of course that’s not true of everyone and there will undoubtedly be people dying of covid even though vaccinated and otherwise healthy. However, I suspect the numbers are very small indeed and are no basis on which to impose restrictions on the rest of the population, any more than we would for the winter flu season or any other disease.