NWR new zero tolerance covid thread

Maybe this is a silly question.

Could the variance in arm pain more due to the practitioner than the reaction to the vaccine.
Anecdotally, I’d say both. I have a flu jab each year, and assuming that’s broadly similar year on year, it varies from “have you done it yet” to “ouch” depending on jabber. Typhoid always feels like a blunt knitting needle to me, whereas the same jabber can follow up with anything else and it’s a mere prick.
 
Maybe this is a silly question.

Could the variance in arm pain more due to the practitioner than the reaction to the vaccine.
It can be both; if it's just saline, even a bad jabbing wouldn't cause too much an issue, but it's a vaccine, so...
These days on the news it says scientists found the possible mechanism for blood clot, saying it's the adenovirus leaking into blood. It sounds to me that a well done intramuscular injection should reduce that chance.
 
I used to get B12 in the backside. It’s oil based and takes a lot longer to inject that Covid.

Same as Simon says. On a good day I wouldn’t notice. On a bad day I’d sit sideways for a week.
 
It can be both; if it's just saline, even a bad jabbing wouldn't cause too much an issue, but it's a vaccine, so...
These days on the news it says scientists found the possible mechanism for blood clot, saying it's the adenovirus leaking into blood. It sounds to me that a well done intramuscular injection should reduce that chance.
Earlier in this thread I posted a video of a Dr John Campbell - he is apparently a Nurse Teacher with a PhD - trying to compare the workings of the Pfizer pill with that of Ivermectin. Whether he is correct or not I do not know and only posted it because the Pfizer pill was mentioned by Po-yu Sung. In earlier videos he has posited that the Covid-19 vaccine was being incorrectly administered. According to Dr Campbell the vaccine is supposed to be aspirated, in other words, to be drawn back to see if there is any blood in the syringe, which would indicate that the a vein has been breached. It is this possibility, low as it is, that can contribute to blood clots and myopericarditis. Edit: Oops, I unintentionallly combined the two - it should read myocaditis and pericarditis.

Dr Campbell seems to be agreeing with Po-yu's opinion.

 
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Some good information here... going to be an 'interesting' couple of months.

This seems to be a reminder to the unvaccinated not to assume Omicron is less severe than Delta: "Omicron cases on average are much more mild because there will be a much higher percentage of re-infections and breakthrough cases, which are highly protected against severe disease."
 
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That's right, it seems to be a toss-up in that regard; meanwhile, it seems that Omicron's immune escape is roughly equal to losing the benefit of one of your injections (so once I've had my booster I'll be back to 'quite protected', as I am currently vs Delta, rather than 'virtually immune', as a triple-jabbed person seems to be vs Delta).
 
Given the seeming very strong infectivity of the new strain should we expect again to alter our Christmas plans? it seems that gatherings are still OK while working from home is again encouraged but I wonder how long they will remain so. I am pleased that a sensible position on mask wearing has returned.
 
Given the seeming very strong infectivity of the new strain should we expect again to alter our Christmas plans? it seems that gatherings are still OK while working from home is again encouraged but I wonder how long they will remain so. I am pleased that a sensible position on mask wearing has returned.
Providing vaccine still prevent severe illness (which seems to be the case but more details would come), I guess the possible "next step", if indeed needed, would be limiting gathering for unvaccinated people. I assume most of people in this forum are not in that category.
If "Christmas plans" include foreign travel, that would be another issue.
 
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Further evidence today suggesting that a triple-jabbed person is roughly as protected from the new strain as a double-jabbed is from Delta, so boosted people should be able to socialise with cautious confidence IMO. Unfortunately, whilst a recent double-Pfizer offers 93% protection against symptomatic Delta, the best estimate so far (that I've seen) suggests it's only 30% effective at preventing symptomatic Omicron :oops:

Am getting my booster on the way to WIMPS on Friday :)
 
I got my Booster-shot yesterday. All 3 shots MODERNA. I am such happy!!!

BTW, there was a truly frightening (!) report/Docu on Monday on German television around 1h about "Long-Covid" cases. People who are such tired, cannot move and have breathing-problems etc etc. since 1 year. A topic which is neglected in Germany. And based on conversations with several friends who watched it too coincidentally, they were ALL scared to death.

So, get your shot!!!!!!


P.S. so far, thank god, no side-effects regarding the 3 shots.
 
Martin your enthusiasm in that post is misplaced. We cannot have people being scared to death of a disease which for the vast, vast majority is a mild infection. Are they all scared to death about heart disease and cancer as well?

I agree with your outcome - get your shot - but that's on the balance of probability that the official recommendation to get it is sound; not because I'm terrified of long covid. Or anything else. Are we all losing our minds?
 
Martin your enthusiasm in that post is misplaced. We cannot have people being scared to death of a disease which for the vast, vast majority is a mild infection. Are they all scared to death about heart disease and cancer as well?

I agree with your outcome - get your shot - but that's on the balance of probability that the official recommendation to get it is sound; not because I'm terrified of long covid. Or anything else. Are we all losing our minds?

Joel,

I would be scared. People who can not work anymore, also can not work at home. Young people, elderly people, half of the people worked at hospitals and got COVDID from unvaccinated people. Also have problems to get money from the health insurance. People who find out that doctors didn't believe them. Of course, it is completely new for doctors too.

There was a doctor from Great Britain who travelled to Germany to get special treatment and has to pay it for himself.

Interesting, a patient had lunge/heart problems and got treatment with oxygen tanks. A new unorthodox method. But it worked!

BTW, we are not talking about hundreds of people. We are talking about of thousands of people. And I would not be surprised when we have hundred thousands of people with "long covid" next years.

Finally, in case of cancer or heart problems the doctors know what to do. But in this case not.

Stay healthy,
Martin
 
Martin is right about long covid, it’s been reported in the UK but never truly pinned down as to the true extent.
It can affect even those with mild
Covid.
But I’m more scared of the first infection covid.
 
I know one person with long covid and it's not something you would wish on anyone - it is mightily scary. On the other hand Joel makes a fair point that when quantified it may not be in the same league as many other very nasty diseases. We shall see. In the meantime, we need to deal with the anti-vaxxers - that is the biggest health problem we all have in relation to Covid.
 
4 out of 5 hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated, so I think we need to act on the data and restrict the movements of the unvaccinated. It's a real problem and we need to address it.
Richard
We now have vaccination passports for large venues in England. I think already in Scotland.
It will be interesting to see how that goes.
Does it apply to football? How will they manage 50000 in a queue.
Of course all the fans will mix in the pub before and after with those who cannot get in.
 
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We now have vaccination passports for large venues in England. I think already in Scotland.
It will be interesting to see how that goes.
Does it apply to football? How will they manage 50000 in a queue.
Of course all the fans will mix in the pub before and after with those who cannot get in.
I know Russ, but I don't think we've gone far enough. I know there are legitimate debates about freedom of choice, but in this case the unvaccinated are choosing to overwhelm the NHS and endanger the health of other (vaccinated) people who do not have access to treatment for illnesses other than Covid. That seems to me to be very, very unfair.
 
Also note Austria has vaccine mandate. It’s just been on the news, sometime a hint of government policy with the way they lobby. Is there a possibility here?
How would that go down with a certain freedom loving section of the government.
 
The same in Germany. If you have a heart attack, stroke or cancer operation etc., it’s quite difficult to get a bed in our hospitals.

We ALL have obligations to our community. And as our highest court in Germany stated last week it tops personal freedom.
 
Really? The last time I had a lunge problem I was able to treat it with just some vigorous stretching.

Really. It's a tank for 6 people. And you have to wear an oxygen mask. I will try find the address. Stay tuned.......

If an doctor from UK travels to Germany for alternative treatments, it must be promising. Fair to say the doctor got not the oxygen tank-treatment.
 
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