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That's really interesting!
Interested in the social distance v mask wearing. Adjusted reduced risk of COVID is 31% v 62%. Masks are twice as good as social distance. Seems odd.
The advice has been to wear masks if you can’t socially distance, maybe it should be the other way around.

I’m sure someone with a science based background will let me know if I’m wrong. Please!
 
It sounds like the first test did not pass quality control hence they ran it again. If your son had 3 postive results from antigen test and one uncertain result from PCR test, it's rather unlikely your son hasn't got it.
No test is perfect (less perfect is how samples are taken and handled), even we say PCR test is the gold standard, it just means that it's the best available and hence we use it as standard.

In early 2020, WHO suggested two negative PCR test can clear the patient. This guideline was not followed in most of Western countries after the number turned too high, for practical reason, but you get an idea.
Thanks Po!
 
On masks I just read this lancet study

And a Nature study supported by the Zoe app.


I took heart at 62% reduced risk even with various adjustments for social distance and risk areas.

There’s also a Bangladeshi study but can’t find the link atm. The reduced risk for N95etc masks over cloth were big, but reduced risk all around.

I think mask wearing is really a numbers game. If we all wear them in crowded areas numbers will reduce over all. It maybe that you’re unlucky anyway.
"In conclusion, within a large population-based sample of individuals in the US, we demonstrated a significantly reduced risk of predicted COVID-19 infection among individuals living in communities with a greater social-distancing grade at 14 days either in regions or time periods experiencing either epidemic slowing or growth. Among participants who lived in a community with poor social distancing, wearing a face mask was associated with reduced risk. These findings provide additional support for the efficacy of nonpharmaceutical interventions in reducing COVID-19 incidence and spread...".

So mask wearing confers reduced risk of Covid infection and transmission for and by the wearer.
 
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It may be likely that those more disposed to wear a face mask are inherently less disposed to take other risks, and so socially distance more than is typical in their communities.
So we should all act like them, wear a mask and socially distance.
At least that’s my take out.
I think the researchers factored in the additional social distance but I got lost in the stats, I admit.
Extract from the report
“Furthermore, among individuals living in communities with poor social distancing, individuals who reported wearing face masks ‘always’ outside of the home had a 62% reduced risk of predicted COVID-19 compared to individuals who wore face masks none of the time.”

I think that as masks are at least as much about protecting others as ourselves, there’s always a herd behaviour thing. People see a mask and stay away a little. Also next time they think about wearing one themselves.
 
Interested in the social distance v mask wearing. Adjusted reduced risk of COVID is 31% v 62%. Masks are twice as good as social distance. Seems odd.
The advice has been to wear masks if you can’t socially distance, maybe it should be the other way around.
You are right. From my understanding it should have been the other way round. Social distancing doesn't work if the room you are in is full of virus-containing aerosols, and I don't think we knew that initially. Also I think we overestimated the importance of hand cleanliness initially, so there were concerns about touching masks. Then there was the PPE shortage, which was another reason for the reluctance to advise mask-wearing. But with the knowledge we have know, I think mask-wearing should be at least strongly recommended, if not mandatory in many situations.
Do we yet have any useful data on what degree of protection masks give to the wearer?
I don't have the figures to hand, but they can give significant protect. The extent to which it protects depends entrirely on the quality of the mask - the material and the closeness of fit around the edges.

I have seen data concerning the percentage of particles that gets through/around the different styles of mask. Also there was a study showing that hospital staff in non-Covid wards (who wore surgical masks) had a much higher rate of Covid-infection than those on Covid wards (who wore high-grade masks, FFP2 and FFP3 I believe). I can think of a number of reasons why that result might not be mask-related, but the study was taken to demonstrate the effectiveness of masks, so maybe other factors were controlled for in the analysis? As I understand it, surgical masks are intended to protect others, while FFP2 and FFP3 masks are intended to protect the wearer.
 
So we should all act like them, wear a mask and socially distance.
At least that’s my take out.
I think the researchers factored in the additional social distance but I got lost in the stats, I admit.
Extract from the report
“Furthermore, among individuals living in communities with poor social distancing, individuals who reported wearing face masks ‘always’ outside of the home had a 62% reduced risk of predicted COVID-19 compared to individuals who wore face masks none of the time.”

I think that as masks are at least as much about protecting others as ourselves, there’s always a herd behaviour thing. People see a mask and stay away a little. Also next time they think about wearing one themselves.
Well, we are in Cornwall at the moment and there are very few people bothering with masks, even inside. Seems mostly older people (like us) that are still wearing them. I’m even wearing them outside in really crowded places. I still think they are a good idea.
 
I've said it before I know but it's remarkable just how much better American print media (or, at least, the very best of it) is than ours. All the more so considering how incredibly dire almost all of their television news is.
Although having lived there twice since the late 1990s, I can say that it too has declined dramatically in breadth of coverage particularly (especially for overseas news). The NYT especially has been hollowed out compared to its glory days.
 
Also a new booster jab is being tested that works on the non spike proteins on the virus (no I don’t understand either). These mutates much less so the range of immunity should be better.
Scientists and experts who needs them!
 
Went to a concert (opera) at the weekend, took my seat and removed my mask only to look round and see that everyone else seated had theirs on. A quick check on the programme and yes, there it was: masks compulsory at indoor concerts in Scotland. I'm usually up to speed with the regulations here and knew they were legally required on public transport and in retail for example, but checked the scot.gov web site when I got home and saw they are still compulsory in basically all indoor public or communal locations. Wearing a mask for a couple of hours in a theatre was not that much fun I confess, but I am happy with the situation now that I know about it.
 
I’ve travelled on the tube twice in the last week and so four journeys made in total. My guesstimate is about two thirds to three quarters of fellow travellers weren’t masked.

It really is absurd that the government is saying to TFL you should enforce mask wearing as a condition of carriage in their trains and buses whilst not having the legal powers or resources to do so.

Either let’s have a free for all or make mask wearing a legal requirement on TFL. Present situation is absurd!!!
 
I’ve travelled on the tube twice in the last week and so four journeys made in total. My guesstimate is about two thirds to three quarters of fellow travellers weren’t masked.

It really is absurd that the government is saying to TFL you should enforce mask wearing as a condition of carriage in their trains and buses whilst not having the legal powers or resources to do so.

Either let’s have a free for all or make mask wearing a legal requirement on TFL. Present situation is absurd!!!

Mayor of London decision not government

 
In regard to booster jabs perhaps a more worldly viewpoint is needed. I believe there are still around 90% of africa and other small countries waiting for their first jab!
Exactly, Max. I don't know whether to refuse mine, as some are doing. If I knew that my injection would instead be delivered somewhere it is needed more I would certainly do it but I don't suppose it works like that, unfortunately.
 
Although having lived there twice since the late 1990s, I can say that it too has declined dramatically in breadth of coverage particularly (especially for overseas news). The NYT especially has been hollowed out compared to its glory days.
That's true of all print media everywhere. The advent of the internet means that an industry which once has huge financial resources is now stretched to the limit financially.
 
If just the excess jabs could be sent aboard before they go off, that would be a start.

Just heard that the UK is swapping excess 1m vaccines with South Korea. That well known third world country! They will give others back at the end of the year, when supply in Asia catches up.
I suppose that a Korean jabbed helps build up world immunity.
 
If I knew that my injection would instead be delivered somewhere it is needed more I would certainly do it but I don't suppose it works like that, unfortunately.
The Pfizer vaccine, which is the main one being used here now, must be very difficult to use in underdeveloped countries as it needs to be kept as such low temperatures, so I strongly suspect that is correct.

Beyond vaccine supply, there are many more factors that could potentially limit vaccination rates in very poor countries, but it would be nice to see some sort of analysis of where the bottlenecks are and what is being done about it.

I'm not holding my breath on that one though - I never even seen such an analysis for vaccination (or PPE supply) in the UK.
 
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