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I think you can look and look at the figures, this stat that country. Basic fact, cases, hospital admissions and deaths keep rising. We are not holding the line.
The deaths are just hospital deaths for France. Do you known if they daily or date reported? Not easy to compare deaths when France don't report outside hospitals in their figures. As you say deaths and hospitalisations in France has been higher for much longer over the summer whereas we've been pretty flat thought rising slowly now.France daily latest :6465 new cases, 26 deaths, 1026 in reanimation, 48 cases/100000 inhabitants, 6465 in hospital
UK daily latest: 49139 new cases, 179 deaths, 7891 in hospital, 600-700 cases/100000 inhabitants
Now France and UK not aligned with regard to Covid wave so, there were moments when France deaths were much higher than UK and this will happen again in the future.
Only comparable are the number of patients in hospital I suppose. And vaccinations are about the same. Same population as well. Also, note UK deaths only include people dying within 28 days of positive test.
Compare the number of deaths to number of deaths on the road (about 3000... a year) and it tells us not to be complacent... Containing the R through hygiene measures such as washing hands is not stupid... 600-700/100000 cases per day may indicate complacency...
France daily latest :6465 new cases, 26 deaths, 1026 in reanimation, 48 cases/100000 inhabitants, 6465 in hospital
UK daily latest: 49139 new cases, 179 deaths, 7891 in hospital, 600-700 cases/100000 inhabitants
Now France and UK not aligned with regard to Covid wave so, there were moments when France deaths were much higher than UK and this will happen again in the future.
Only comparable are the number of patients in hospital I suppose. And vaccinations are about the same. Same population as well. Also, note UK deaths only include people dying within 28 days of positive test.
Compare the number of deaths to number of deaths on the road (about 3000... a year) and it tells us not to be complacent... Containing the R through hygiene measures such as washing hands is not stupid... 600-700/100000 cases per day may indicate complacency...
In a situation when school is the driving force of this new peak (since late September), I am not sure his "individual responsibility" arguement can land well. What individual responsibility pupils can hold and what parents can do in this case?But the health secretary said today we are not yet at the point of needing to make masks mandatory or bringing in other extra measures and instead we should rely on individual responsibility.
What's going on there that's causing the problem?Singapore daily latest: 3862 new cases, 18 deaths, 1718 in hospitals
Singapore population: 5.4m UK population: 68.3m
Our statistics are worse than UK in terms of deaths and hospitalization and we have 82.4% vaccinated vs 67.5% vaccinated in UK.
One possibility: we have very high vaccination rate in elderly group, which is not necessarily the case in SG even their total vaccination rate seems higher.What's going on there that's causing the problem?
Is it delta or a new variant?
It isn't an argument, it is a denial of the concept of government.I am not sure his "individual responsibility" argument can land well.
I won't hold my breath!It will be interesting to see if masks at more common in the chamber. As Javid made a specific appeal.
What's going on there that's causing the problem?
Is it delta or a new variant?
One possibility: we have very high vaccination rate in elderly group, which is not necessarily the case in SG even their total vaccination rate seems higher.
By last month:
"Among elderly age 70 and above, the vaccination rate was 85 percent"Overcoming Vaccine Hesitancy, Singapore Style
Here’s the latest news from the global pandemic.www.bloomberg.com
Whereas in the UK, back in 27th June, people over 70s are over 95% fully vaccinated.
10% difference in the most risky group can contribute quite a bit in hospital and death number.
I heard about the government's "plan B" a lot but only read what it is today:It will be interesting to see if masks at more common in the chamber. As Javid made a specific appeal.
Indeed, and now UK elders are getting a third dose.Our vaccination rates for over 60 years old are about 90% now but definitely not as high as 95% in UK.
The plan b should be plan A IMOI heard about the government's "plan B" a lot but only read what it is today:
1. facemask mandate -- why not do it now? What's the problem?
2. power to introduce vaccine passport -- why not do it now? What's the problem?
3. encourage to work from home -- are people back to office in massive scale already?
4. communicating the need for caution -- what?
Is that the plan B which HMG and media make a big deal on, as if it's a huge restriction and sacrifice?
Your statement is incorrect Gareth! 26 is the addition of 21 deaths in Hospital and 5 others. The others are collected twice a week so the 5 represent 3 or 4 days. They are not ignored. However, in both countries, numbers vary a lot day to day because of reporting.The deaths are just hospital deaths for France. Do you known if they daily or date reported? Not easy to compare deaths when France don't report outside hospitals in their figures. As you say deaths and hospitalisations in France has been higher for much longer over the summer whereas we've been pretty flat thought rising slowly now.
Oh, but so many members, or at least former members, of this government have shown such leadership in their admirable sacrifices on behalf of individual responsibility.It isn't an argument, it is a denial of the concept of government.
This time it's different.Good summary by Ros Atkins on the BBC news website of the state of play in the UK. One notable point in it was a comment that there wasn't a meaningful difference in infection rates between England, Scotland, Wales and NI despite there being some significant differences in restrictions in Scotland re vaccine passports, mask wearing indoors etc.
This time it's different.