TN Rhone Dinner and Potential Offline Venue Reconnaissance

On the Allemand - was it opened before hand or PandP at the restaurant?

I only ask as I had the 06 Chaillots fairly recently - last 6 months - and it was pretty disappointing - shrill and acidic with no blood and guts. Based on your notes it sounds like it would have been me or the glass or possibly a faulty bottle but I'm looking forward to another soon on the back of your experience.
 
On the Allemand - was it opened before hand or PandP at the restaurant?
It was double debated about three and a half to four hours before it was drunk Will. I think that helped. It was certainly not shrill and acidic although I know that is sometimes how Allemand wines turn out. He uses very little added sulphur and I think that this can lead to these problems. I've had miserable bottles of the 2000 Reynard and all his 1997s are just like that. Other bottles of 2000s have been top notch. Recently, I've had a very good run with Allemand wines across a lot of vintages (1994, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2006).
 
A great evening on Wednesday. Glad that the food and service was enjoyed by all and made the noisy basement venue acceptable
Thanks again to Leon for arranging the evening and to all the others on the table for the generous wine offerings which were a true revelation

Leon’s 2008 Taittinger was a perfect start to the evening. Very enjoyable and drinking nicely (almost too easy to drink).

I’m not usually much of a rhone white fan because I find it too textural and lacks acidity but the two presented on the evening were a revelation with the Beaucastel edging it for my fave of the two. Thanks Po & Alino

I was a Cornas virgin before Wednesday and by all accounts was treated to some very special wines to pop my cherry to. Thanks to Leon & Richard for giving me the opportunity to taste such special wines. Their tasting notes above are not exeggerated.

the CNDPs got a bit of a raw deal having to show up following those wines preceding them. Neil’s 2005 still was very powerful and felt youthful, it certainly didn’t show 8 years maturity to my 2013. A bit too heavy after the fresher Cornas and bottles to be left some time yet

The 2009 Suduiraut was the perfect finish to an evening of great wine, great food and great company
 
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I’m not usually much of a rhone white fan because I find it too textural and lacks acidity
Interesting you say that - I have really struggled with the wines of the Northern rhone which do have this characteristic for me, even when they frequently are made from the same grapes as their cousins from down south. I have really tried to like them but so far unsuccessfully.
 
Interesting you say that - I have really struggled with the wines of the Northern rhone which do have this characteristic for me, even when they frequently are made from the same grapes as their cousins from down south. I have really tried to like them but so far unsuccessfully.
Funny you said, I just had a glass (recommended by a wine bar near my school) of domaine de l'olivier cotes du rhone, said to be 13.5% but the legs in the glass are so high that I don't think it's less than 14%. That very herby nose, almost medicinal.... was quite something. The palate was sweet enough to be drinkable, but if I would like to buy it even for the retail price (£30)... probably not.
 
Cornas Chaillot Domaine Thierry Allemand 2006 - This is grand vin and I could have drunk it all night. 4.5 stars now and 5 in another five years I'd say. This is also the best 2006 N. Rhone wine I've ever drunk and it has made me reassess my opinion of 2006 which I thought of as merely good.
Richard, I’m positive you know far more about N. Rhône vintages than I do; but I remember JLL assessing 2006s highly in retrospect here:

Also, I’ve read that Allemand himself often favours “lesser” vintages, preferring his 2008s to his 2009s and his 2011s to his 2010s for example.
 
Richard, I’m positive you know far more about N. Rhône vintages than I do; but I remember JLL assessing 2006s highly in retrospect here:
Interesting Ben - he gives the vintage 9/10 for the north which is very high praise indeed. Early on I found the wines good rather than great, but I've only just started to drink my 2006s properly. I had 2001, 2005, 2009 and 2010 ahead of 2006 which I thought was more like 2000 in quality initially. 2004 is for early drinking, 2003 a hot vintage and not to my liking, 2007 a notch below 2006 and 2002 generally weak (with the occasional, but rare surprise). I look forward to trying some more 2006s next year.
 
Interesting Ben - he gives the vintage 9/10 for the north which is very high praise indeed. Early on I found the wines good rather than great, but I've only just started to drink my 2006s properly. I had 2001, 2005, 2009 and 2010 ahead of 2006 which I thought was more like 2000 in quality initially. 2004 is for early drinking, 2003 a hot vintage and not to my liking, 2007 a notch below 2006 and 2002 generally weak (with the occasional, but rare surprise). I look forward to trying some more 2006s next year.
Ha, my view is slightly different….

2001 miles ahead of any of the surrounding vintages (though 05 might get there at a push).
2005 four square possibly, or more simply may just be great, but they are generally monsters at this point in time.
2002 I agree
2003 agree in principle but there might still be the odd surprise in store.
2007 although early maturing and probably not for the really long haul have always provided pleasurable drinking and will probably continue to do so for quite some time yet. I rate above 06 until proven otherwise.
2006 a bit like a poor man’s 05 and although there are some very good wines, most feel a bit warm, dry and slightly empty in the middle to me.
2010 different league again
2009 was worried early on when seemed a lot of alcohol and very loose structures, but seems to be getting more on track lately. As a consequence I’ve left a lot of mine and don’t have much recent experience.

vive la difference!
 
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2006 a bit like a poor man’s 05 and although there are some very good wines, most feel a bit warm, dry and slightly empty in the middle to me.
Seen through the lens of Cornas (what else?:cool:) 2006 definitely does not come across as warm nor hollow in the middle. I've had Allemand's Chaillot twice in the last year as well as Dumien-Serrette and Michel's La Geynale. They just seem really well balanced to me and more black/blue fruited than usual. I haven't had any 2006 Hermitage that I can recall, and only Ogier's C-R, which was good.
 
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