To Krug or Not To Krug?

Raymond Tilney

Raymond Tilney

Location
Northampton
Ben Halton said:
Is Krug nv as good as it was?
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Ben,
There was a bit of a dip a few years ago which seemed to be when they cut the time down pre disgorgement and shipped a bit quicker.
IIRC that coincided with the 01 base year, which was a crappy time.
Things are well back on track and even those bottles will now have aged and improved.
Simon was at a night where we had 07 base GC from many different bottles, and whilst 07 aint the greatest and there was variation I think he might agree that they would in isolation be at least pretty darn good.
Mind you the 02 base GC we had that night was one of the best champagnes I can recall, for me it was drinking better than 02 vintage and even 02 Clos de Mesnil
 
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Matt O'Connor

Location
London
I think Dan B kindly brought an 02 base (specifically named) to an offline a couple of years back and I remember it as particularly distinguished amongst other younger Krug GC I've had.
 
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Ben Halton

Location
Broadstairs
Raymond Tilney said:
Ben,
There was a bit of a dip a few years ago which seemed to be when they cut the time down pre disgorgement and shipped a bit quicker.
IIRC that coincided with the 01 base year, which was a crappy time.
Things are well back on track and even those bottles will now have aged and improved.
Simon was at a night where we had 07 base GC from many different bottles, and whilst 07 aint the greatest and there was variation I think he might agree that they would in isolation be at least pretty darn good.
Mind you the 02 base GC we had that night was one of the best champagnes I can recall, for me it was drinking better than 02 vintage and even 02 Clos de Mesnil
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Thanks Ray I actually have much more experience with the vintage than the NV. I've never been particularly excited by Krug other than the 81 and 96 but I always feel like I should be buying some NV and tucking them away. I guess the 08 base would be a good place to start - any idea when it is released?
 
Raymond Tilney

Raymond Tilney

Location
Northampton
Ben Halton said:
Thanks Ray I actually have much more experience with the vintage than the NV. I've never been particularly excited by Krug other than the 81 and 96 but I always feel like I should be buying some NV and tucking them away. I guess the 08 base would be a good place to start - any idea when it is released?
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Sometime after what will be a huge price hike!!
 
simon beatty

simon beatty

Location
North East
I know I expect to be in the tiny minority here but I honestly find the 2006 Comtes the most disappointing vintage of this wine I have ever drunk, but there is no right or wrong in taste. I find it loose, fat and very soft. The mousse is more reminiscent of a young NV champagne to me than a fine vintage wine. Don't get me wrong, I love Comtes usually and think it one of the great blanc de blancs and a fantastic value compared to the likes of Salon, Clos de Mesnil etc., but the 2006 leaves me desperately disappointed; and yes, I have blind tasted the wine and felt the same without the help of label or bottle shape.
 
Steven Pritchard

Steven Pritchard

Location
Herefordshire
simon beatty said:
I know I expect to be in the tiny minority here but I honestly find the 2006 Comtes the most disappointing vintage of this wine I have ever drunk, but there is no right or wrong in taste. I find it loose, fat and very soft. The mousse is more reminiscent of a young NV champagne to me than a fine vintage wine. Don't get me wrong, I love Comtes usually and think it one of the great blanc de blancs and a fantastic value compared to the likes of Salon, Clos de Mesnil etc., but the 2006 leaves me desperately disappointed; and yes, I have blind tasted the wine and felt the same without the help of label or bottle shape.
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That is most odd, because I've never found the '06 fat or indeed soft, although I've not tasted in a few months... might be time to taste again!
 
Po-yu Sung

Po-yu Sung

Location
London
Steven Pritchard said:
That is most odd, because I've never found the '06 fat or indeed soft, although I've not tasted in a few months... might be time to taste again!
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yeah, if I have problem with comtes 06, it would be too tight and slim at the moment. But I can also say comtes 02 is 'less fat' and 'harder' with good volume of muscle, if I try to understand what Simon meant.
 
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Thom Blach

Location
London
I used to do nearly all my shopping at Harrods as a student-it was almost around the corner and in those days offered sensational quality and very competitive prices for food-they butchered whole animals while their clientele wanted prime cuts, though I never bought wine.
 
Filippo Nanni

Filippo Nanni

Location
London, England
Dear All,

thank you for all of the replies. The genesis of my question was a debate with a friends where I thought there is no one who does it better in the same price bracket of KGC for the same quality. I also added that KGC is king in terms of consistency. I asked him to bring some examples and he was not really able to. I added that the style does NOT matter.

Net net Vilmart 02/04, Comtes 06 and Goisses (though I am not familiar at all and I may set up an offline with my only bottle, 1996), are the most likely candidate as Winston 00/02 is 15%/20% more expensive than KGC. I will look for them and report.

Regards

F.
 
Filippo Nanni

Filippo Nanni

Location
London, England
Given my recent tastes with some age on them, I find it very hard to prefer recent DP releases (though 2006 seemed quite decent). I have visited both operations privately in November and they could not be so different. That said P2 98 is another story but also another price.
 
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