- Location
- Lillehammer
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Bordeaux 2022 EP
- Thread starter Dom Shepherd
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- Location
- Salisbury, Wiltshire
Did anyone else go to the Davy's EP tasting last night?
I thought the reds were, on the whole, very good indeed. Deep vibrant colours, long intense flavours and plenty of tannins. I was most impressed at how well the non cru classe wines performed alongside their more illustrious neighbours. Wines like Siran, Meyney, Chasse Spleen, Gloria, were very good indeed. Even wines perhaps considered lesser such as Maucaillou, Lanessan and Beaumont have done very well. I thought de Fieuzal, La Louviere and especially Laroque were superb for their appellations and very fairly priced. Amongst the bigger boys some of my favourites were DdC (my wine of the tasting), La Lagune, Cantemerle, Marquis de Terme, L'Enclos, d'Issan, Plince, Lagrange, Clos du Clocher, Feytit Client. A few wines had been drunk by the time I got to them, Batailley, Phelan Segur & La Gaffeliere which probably indicates they were pretty good too.
Of course these are not finished wines and things will change but I'd be buying plenty if I weren't an OAP with plenty of maturing claret in my cellar. No alcohol levels were mentioned on the labels I looked at but when I asked about one wine I was told 14%. It was suggested I should have a glass of water with my wine if I was worried about alcohol!
I thought the reds were, on the whole, very good indeed. Deep vibrant colours, long intense flavours and plenty of tannins. I was most impressed at how well the non cru classe wines performed alongside their more illustrious neighbours. Wines like Siran, Meyney, Chasse Spleen, Gloria, were very good indeed. Even wines perhaps considered lesser such as Maucaillou, Lanessan and Beaumont have done very well. I thought de Fieuzal, La Louviere and especially Laroque were superb for their appellations and very fairly priced. Amongst the bigger boys some of my favourites were DdC (my wine of the tasting), La Lagune, Cantemerle, Marquis de Terme, L'Enclos, d'Issan, Plince, Lagrange, Clos du Clocher, Feytit Client. A few wines had been drunk by the time I got to them, Batailley, Phelan Segur & La Gaffeliere which probably indicates they were pretty good too.
Of course these are not finished wines and things will change but I'd be buying plenty if I weren't an OAP with plenty of maturing claret in my cellar. No alcohol levels were mentioned on the labels I looked at but when I asked about one wine I was told 14%. It was suggested I should have a glass of water with my wine if I was worried about alcohol!
- Location
- London
It seems that there are no big boys in EP tastings anymore...? I remember tasting top wines (including Yquem, Cheval Blanc, Conseillante, most 2nd growth... at Bibendum tasting at Lords Cricket ground years ago...
- Location
- London
You have to wait for the UGC tasting in November for that. Or the MW tasting.
- Location
- Salisbury, Wiltshire
Sadly quite a few "big boys" skip the UGC these days too. In recent years Ducru, Lascases, Montrose, Calon Segur, Cos plus all the firsts haven't bother to grace it with their presence.
I attended a few of those Lord's tasting too and they were great. Not just the wines but being able to chat to people like Anthony Barton, Veronique Saunders etc about their wines was a joy.
- Location
- London
Yes it’s annoying. At least the MW tasting has everyone there.
- Location
- Chiang Mai
Well, it's probably quite telling that I had to head to page 2 to find this thread....
Price rises so far and I don't see any point in committing at this stage, think it will be unlikely beyond keeping a vertical of LCHB going.
I'm sure these wines will be available for similar when the in bottle reviews start coming.
Anyone feel different?
Price rises so far and I don't see any point in committing at this stage, think it will be unlikely beyond keeping a vertical of LCHB going.
I'm sure these wines will be available for similar when the in bottle reviews start coming.
Anyone feel different?
- Location
- Staffordshire
I was looking to see what I had paid for various 2010 claret en primeur, they really were overly priced.
I read a Live-Ex report about the 2010 vintage ten years on, virtually nothing had risen in price and a great deal had fallen sharply.
Perhaps you’re right, the 2022 vintage probably won’t make any gains in the next few years.
I will still me a mug and buy a few halves and magnums though.
- Location
- Germany
A lot less than in the last years. But some halves ( Beychevelle, Leoville Barton, Langoa Barton ) are already bought, some 0.75s will follow ( Lynch Bages, Pichon Lalande & Gloria ) depending on the asked prices but most probably 10% of my usual numbers. Alcohol & prices too high and greed as well.
Cheers
Rainer
Cheers
Rainer
- Location
- Yorkshire
Really not my scene, but the £102/12 from Tanner's for Cissac seems a bargain. I bought 12. Wondering among the global stars within this thread whether there are bourgeois and the like to be recommended?
And I also wonder what people might think about Bordeaux dry whites en primeur?
And I also wonder what people might think about Bordeaux dry whites en primeur?
- Location
- UK
I’ve bought one mixed case for fun and left it at that. Alcohol levels are far too high across the board for me and the critics’ reviews are full of terms like “big”, “dense”, “full”, “chunky”, “voluptuous”, “opulent”, “powerful”, “blockbuster” - none of which really appeal to what I want from Bordeaux.
- Location
- Chiang Mai
There will be plenty of excellent superb value wines at CB level although the alcohol levels tend to be higher generally at this level.
The point is it might make more sense to buy them in about 5-7 years and be judiciously picking up wines from 2011-16 today.
- Location
- Staffordshire
I had an email from Millesima regarding 2022 Les Carmes Haut Brion at around 7am. Three hours later they dad almost doubled the price. It’s certainly made my mind up about (not) buying any.
- Location
- Laois, Ireland
Is that a second tranche price or just price gouging?
- Location
- U.K.
Almost certain the latter.
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- Chiang Mai
I saw it advertised in Singapore at about 700/6 in a mental Conversion to GBP.
If so it's off my list tbh.
If so it's off my list tbh.
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- Laois, Ireland
RRP is £110/btl or €124/btl. I think it's well gone now. 30% less produced and a reduction in the amount available for EP.
- Location
- Chiang Mai
An easy pass then sadly.
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- Germany
They are playing games for 2-3?years now. Small first tranche, high demand and then second tranche for 40-75 % more as far as I saw the last years. And sadly now the merchants are playing the game as well. Buying since 2013 en primeur and now quantities greatly reduced and prices at second tranche + levels. Therefore nowadays a no go. ( Carmes Haut Brion ) .
Cheers
Rainer
Cheers
Rainer
- Location
- UK
But can we really blame them? If even a small percentage of the market is desperate or gullible enough to fall for transparent gouging, then why shouldn't they? After all, the châteaux need only a handful of cases sold at a ridiculous price (first or second tranche) to convince the shareholders/creditors/loan managers that all the 'library stock' (earmarked for lucrative future release) is worth the same amount...
- Location
- Aldeburgh
Correct. The supply and demand curve is “the market” aka happy buyer happy seller.
- Location
- Lancashire, UK
As far as I am aware, there was just 1 tranche of Carmes which sold through extremely fast both at negociant & retailer level. I think the few listings on WineSearcher don't have stock anymore
- Location
- Chiang Mai
The '79 we shared last week was just in a beautiful place. Textbook Pauillac, textbook PLL and still going strong.
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- Location
- Laois, Ireland
Same. I bought a few wines over the last couple of weeks. Wanted to keep a few verticals going. Mind you I also stopped another because the price was ridiculous.