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My Hedonism order was next day too fwiw.

A nice mixed selection box of Bdx '19s to bury for a decade.

Not been much talk about the J&B sale I bought a whole load of discounted this and that, particularly Barbaresco/Langhe stuff.

Anyone else?
 
I succumbed to the 2017 Clusel-Roch Grandes Places, as well as to a couple of bottles of the 2012 Luigi Oddero Vigna Rionda at the final day’s discounts. (Having not been impressed by Gonon’s 2017 Iles Feray, albeit at release, and given that JLL wasn’t charmed by their 2017 St-Joseph, hopefully Clusel-Roch did better in 2017!)
 
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I succumbed to the 2017 Clusel-Roch Grandes Places, as well as to a couple of bottles of the 2012 Luigi Oddero Vigna Rionda at the final day’s discounts. (Having not been impressed by Gonon’s 2017 Iles Feray, albeit at release, and given that JLL wasn’t charmed by their 2017 St-Joseph, hopefully Clusel-Roch did better in 2017!)
I've not tried gonon 2017, but of the 17's I've tried, I've really liked them for early drinking, which these days is a big plus, admittedly we're not talking grandes places level but it wouldn't surprise me if it was at least approachable if not at it's best.
 
I've not tried gonon 2017, but of the 17's I've tried, I've really liked them for early drinking, which these days is a big plus, admittedly we're not talking grandes places level but it wouldn't surprise me if it was at least approachable if not at it's best.
Hmm. It will be approachable I suspect (in its rather aloof, manly sort of style), but I suspect nowhere near its best.

’17 seems a funny sort of vintage. They all seem sort of approachable, but I can’t figure out whether this is just a phase, nor whether they have the stuffing to go on. Like Allemand, Clape et al you can be sure that Clusel’s G-P will soldier on though.

Really interesting to see it put into context with the other Clusel-Roch’s at L&S 2022 en primeur tasting a couple of weeks ago. It was completely on another level vs the other wines in the portfolio. Much more stuffing and power….
 
Is the Clusel-Roch Grandes Places typically a big step above the Viallière (as per Mark’s tasting of the 2022s) or can the Viallière be of similar merit? (I noticed JLL preferred the 2021 Viallière to the Grandes Places and he has praised some recent vintages of the Viallière as being STGT.)

Mark, how were the 2022s in general? Did you taste Rousset’s Picaudières?
 
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Is the Clusel-Roch Grandes Places typically a big step above the Viallière (as per Mark’s tasting of the 2022s) or can the Viallière be of similar merit? (I noticed JLL preferred the 2021 Viallière to the Grandes Places and he has praised some recent vintages of the Viallière as being STGT.)

Mark, how were the 2022s in general? Did you taste Rousset’s Picaudières?
Typically I find it a big step, though I can see that in some vintages Viallière might be more appealing. Grand-Places is a very mineral, powerful (although not necessarily ”big”) dry, rocky sort of wine, whereas the Viallière is a more subtle, violets and sweet-fruits sort of wine. Of course these are mere characterisations rather than absolutes, but you can see why in certain vintages one might be the sort of wine that might grab someone’s fancy over the other.

Certainly at the J&B tasting last year the Viallières was definitely showing better than the G-P, but I suspect that in the long term the G-P would probably pull away. I’m assuming that was the tasting Jon’s note was based around. Our little gang did discuss the wines with him at the end of the tasting including Clusel-Roch’s wines. The other thing to remember is that at these “en-primeur” tastings the G-P will be typically be at a disadvantage as it needs longer to come together and its qualities aren’t as immediately obvious as other “lesser” wines. Having said all that at the 2022 the gap was obvious. I suspect that in a warm vintage like 2022 the Viallières might have been at a disadvantage as I got the feeling that its subtle charms might have been burnt away.

In answer to your other question I wasn’t as excited by the 2022’s as I thought I might be. I thought them a little loose and much lower in acidity than I was led to expect. The only wine that really struck me as like an old-school Cote-Rotie I suspect had been acidified. I think it’s a pretty decent vintage overall, but top notch wouldn’t be a warranted description. It reminded me a bit of 2017. The usual caveats have to apply though. These were not finished wines and were in various states of evolution.

Unfortunately Rousset’s wines were not on show and I haven’t had the opportunity to taste them anywhere yet. I adore the Picaudières when it’s on (and in fact both of the reds) but find which vintages they do well with in surprisingly difficult to predict. The 2016 straight Crozes was one of my bargain wines of the last decade and the Picaudières is looking like it’s going to be the expected step up from there.
 
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I ordered late Monday evening, delivered just now (Wednesday). Hard to beat.

Another shout out for Museum Wines here - my order placed Monday (think it was during the morning). In my case though I asked, if it were possible, for delivery today. Am quite sure it would have been a couple of days max otherwise.

I didn't get any specific acknowledgment of my variation request but the wine was delivered this morning by APC just after 8.00 a.m.

Never dealt with Museum before and, maybe to my shame, confess I hadn't heard of them previously. Am very impressed though. First class experience.

Am now awaiting an L&W delivery from DHL due sometime in the next 90 mins.
 
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