TN Gareth's Rhone vs South African Syrah Battle

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SYRAH BATTLE: NORTHERN RHONE VS SOUTH AFRICA - Cabotte (01/06/2023)

Following an interesting discussion about how good the Minimalist Wines Stars in the Dark is, Gareth convened a dinner to include that wine as well as some excellent Syrahs from the Rhone and South Africa.

The wines were not served blind, which with hindsight made little difference as there wouldn't have been any doubt which ones were Old and which New World.

Miso glazed pork belly, malted shiitakes, charred baby onion & bok choy
  • 2005 Sadie Family Columella - South Africa, Coastal Region, Swartland
    Popped and poured, but immediately impressive. Rather heady, plummy nose (the 14% ABV showing somewhat), with the scent of dark, meaty Bovril and some stylish oak; it was obvious that this was the New World member of the flight, and it reminded many of us of an Australian style of wine. Pretty glorious on the youthful, fruit-forward palate, with some tapenade that modulated wonderfully into a superb, very persistent blackcurranty finish. Going back to this wine after drinking the next few did emphasise the wine's thickness and ripeness (and, presumably, the 20% Mourvedre), but it was undeniably delicious, excellent with the food, and a deserved #2 in the group vote. (94 pts.)
  • 2006 Rene Rostaing Côte-Rôtie La Landonne - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
    Double-decanted around 90 minutes before we drank it. Very savoury and evolved compared to the Columella alongside it, the nose also showing Asian spice and blooming, becoming sweeter and fruitier, with time in the glass. On the palate again savoury and on the leaner, more elegant side, with some briney tomato, a silkiness and a lingering darker-toned finish. With air some red fruit showed up on the palate and the tannins bulked up a bit to give the wine more grip and less silk. Perhaps not shown to its best advantage with the Columella, this was still a complex and delicious wine, and great with the food, and was voted the group's #3 wine. (93 pts.)
Barbary duck breast, smoked beetroot, rainbow chard, cherry, black garlic & duck jus
  • 2010 Mullineux Syrah Schist - South Africa, Coastal Region, Swartland
    Popped and poured. This was a lovely wine. The soft, truffley nose was open and attractive but slightly subdued. The palate had the same airy and unassuming nature, with dark fruit, blood and iron and a subtle grip, the overall effect being cool, mineral, precise and compelling. Group WOTN (but I rated it third behind the more demonstrative Peroline and Columella). (94 pts.)
  • 2010 Domaine Vincent Paris Cornas Granit 60 - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas
    This wasn't hugely corked, but there was enough TCA for us to tip this after a couple of sips and open a back-up. NR (flawed)
  • 2007 Domaine Vincent Paris Cornas La Geynale - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas
    Opened as a back-up, and initial impressions were mixed, this wine being on the funky side (and a total contrast to the sleek Mullineux it was paired with). That said, this wine ended up also showing very well once it had settled down, the funk becoming smoky and more seductive, and the high-acid palate becoming juicy and full and developing a tempting flavour of red boiled sweets. Due to the acidity and red fruit this wine was superb with the duck and beetroot dish, too. (93 pts.)
Herefordshire beef rump, crispy shin croquette, kale, mushroom persillade & bordelaise sauce
  • 2015 Mullineux Syrah Granite - South Africa, Coastal Region, Swartland
    Magnum, decanted around two hours. For the first time tonight I got the feeling that the wine was a little young, but there was still a lot to enjoy. Raw, pure dark fruit on the bright nose. I detected a touch of heat on the palate, and enjoyed the classic Syrah notes of blood and iron and the powdery, cocoa-like tannins. (92 pts.)
  • 2009 Bernard Levet Côte-Rôtie La Chavaroche / La Péroline - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
    Double-decanted a few hours before. Oh boy - this wine was in my sweet spot from the first sniff. Deep and savoury on the nose, which reminded me of ink and dark meat but was somehow also clean as a whistle. Sleek and well-balanced on the palate, with the flavour of black olive to season the dark fruit, and very long. With time in the glass the wine became seductive and truffley, and reminded me of a mature Pomerol. Delicious! (95 pts.)
Seasonal French cheeses
  • 2014 Bernard Levet Côte-Rôtie Les Journaries / Maestria - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
    Decanted around three hours. Savoury and somewhat lean, like you'd expect from a 2014, with a raw, slightly rustic herbaceous nose, in a Loire Cabernet Franc idiom that was more appealing than it sounds! Cool, earthy and refreshing on the palate with an attractive, mineral finish. Very drinkable and easy to enjoy (if you're a wine geek, anyway). (94 pts.)
  • 2016 Porseleinberg Swartland - South Africa, Coastal Region, Swartland
    Decanted around three hours. This wine really has its own style, perhaps because it's 100% whole-bunch. Intense and sensual on the nose, with a dark, penetrating, grapey quality that almost seems artificial. Bright fruit on the palate, with complex undertones of liquorice, leather and violet; it somehow feels sleek and medium-bodied whilst also being very intensely flavoured. Pure and persistent, and charismatic too. (94 pts.)
  • 2020 Minimalist Wines Syrah Stars in the Dark - South Africa, Cape South Coast, Cape Agulhas
    Decanted around three hours. Seemed a bit of a gamble given the wine's youth, but we all wanted to try this and it did deliver on the night. Pure, concentrated and young, like a Syrah coulis, with violets and cream on the nose, and the sense that one could almost smell the grape pips themselves (this wine is c. 80% whole-bunch and c. 10% carbonic maceration). Bright and intense on the palate, with a sweetish but sophisticated creaminess from the ripe grapes and oak ageing that gave the impression of a delicious blueberry milkshake. Glorious stuff, and will be interesting to see how it ages. Incidentally, this wine was the best match with our cheese plate. (93 pts.)
A very competitive tasting, with every wine showing between nicely and superbly, especially with the well-chosen (and delicious) food. The room at Cabotte was good too, and I'm looking forward to more dinners there.

South Africa placed first and second in the group vote!

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That was a really diverting evening with some excellent wines across the board, to which Nick’s notes do full justice. I had the Schist just ahead - only by a kitten’s whisker - of the likes of the Columella and Peroline as wotn.

The food at Cabotte seems a clear couple of steps up from my last visit pre-pandemic. I even had a touch of pescatarian envy. The pork dish (pic below) was interesting. I found the generous amounts of coriander considerably enhanced the Columella but contrarily totally subdued the Landonne. I don’t think others had the same experience at all. It’s a weird herb.

Thanks v much to Gareth for organising, to Alex for kindly providing me with an outstanding buy-in (the Peroline) and to everybody for your company and sharing some memorable vinous treats.

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I'm glad to have tried it in its 7yo form, but unless you have multiple bottles, love primary wine or are very curious I'd wait a few years. That said, it's so refined and concentrated I reckon there's a wider drinking window than for most Syrah wines.
Ok perfect - super helpful! Thanks! I had been intending not to touch for 5+ years
 
Yes, excellent notes, Nick!
I'm particularly pleased that you saw the good in the Geynale. It seemed pretty reductive on opening, and as wines were coming quickly, it didn't really get enough glass time to show its best.
I get the impression that the Schist won because it appeared in everyone's top 3. Would be interesting to get the data to see which was voted #1 wine by most people...
And thanks to Dan for taking Jeremy's place at the last minute and being the catalyst for my bringing the lovely Peroline 2009. Hopefully we'll get a chance to actually talk next time! A shame I don't have any more, although I note I do have some 2005. Time to get that shipped, I'd guess.
 
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Great notes and pleased but not surprised how well the SA wines showed . No question that the Porseleinberg needs more time. I suggest at least another ten years . 2010 was the first vintage of both the Mullineux Granite and Schist and I am sitting on a few cases of both. No hurry to drink either .Think the Lismore Estate reserve is probably the best Syrah made in the country ( although due to the fire will be a few years before new vintages are produced) followed by Boschkloof Epilogue , but both also need many years .
Would be interested in attending another in about 5 years and putting wines like Chave and Jamet CR up against the Saffers and drinking them blind .
 
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Great notes and pleased but not surprised how well the SA wines showed . No question that the Porseleinberg needs more time. I suggest at least another ten years . 2010 was the first vintage of both the Mullineux Granite and Schist and I am sitting on a few cases of both. No hurry to drink either .Think the Lismore Estate reserve is probably the best Syrah made in the country ( although due to the fire will be a few years before new vintages are produced) followed by Boschkloof Epilogue , but both also need many years .
Would be interested in attending another in about 5 years and putting wines like Chave and Jamet CR up against the Saffers and drinking them blind .
I can still remember with pleasure, your 10 Mul Schist served at the 2013 blind challenge. Absolutely top flight northern Rhone. Curiously a little less good at the same event two years later having developed a slightly pruney note. Suspect maybe the bottle, or perhaps just a phase. Have you tried one more recently, Keith? Wondering what the ideal window is for these — I’m guessing from the 10-15 year mark?
 
I can still remember with pleasure, your 10 Mul Schist served at the 2013 blind challenge. Absolutely top flight northern Rhone. Curiously a little less good at the same event two years later having developed a slightly pruney note. Suspect maybe the bottle, or perhaps just a phase. Have you tried one more recently, Keith? Wondering what the ideal window is for these — I’m guessing from the 10-15 year mark?
Have not tried for a couple of years Simon. Will open one soon and let you know. Both Chris and Andrea think 20 years plus but suspect 15 is fine .
 
Thanks for organising Gareth, the room at Cabotte worked well and the food has stepped up a fair bit since my last pre-covid visit, a pescatarian menu with a set of Syrah was never going to be the best match but all the courses were delicious and well prepared, a fresh pea and bean risotto was packed with flavour, the Indian spiced bbq monkfish was totally brilliant
Wine wise I thought the Schist was pretty special, classy and elegant with a gorgeous texture. I was less enamoured than many with the Columella but for me it suffered being paired with a light but ready Rostaing. The Levet wines were both very good, I may need to buy these again.
the Schist was my WOTN, I thought the scores were fairly even, but SA won on penalties

excellent notes Nick

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Thanks for the great notes and looked like a great occasion for everyone involved! Useful data points on the Levet and 2015 Mullineux, coincidentally I own both of these that appeared in the same flight!
 
I can’t compete with you guys, but have a single bottle of the Lismore Reserve Syrah 2018 and an Epilogue from the same year at home. I guess I need to give them time Keith? I also have a single bottle of Epilogue 2019 in reserves.

Based on this and another thread I have started a new thread on here, so as not to hijack Nick’s.
 
Fab dinner. Thanks everyone. Lovely setting and great food and service. The wines all performed well and it was a really useful evening for learning a bit more about SA Syrah. We all pretty much coalesced around the top three wines (Mullineaux Schist 10, Columella 05 and Rostaing 06, with the Levet pair making up the top five).

What was very clear was the stylistic differences. We talked about serving wines blind but I have to say I don't see much purpose as the expression of Syrah is very different in SA compared to the northern Rhone. This was borne out on the night with no singular wine being confused they were all obviously SA or Rhone. @Keith Prothero it's probably why I'd suggest just pouring the wines. I also think blinding wines can skew things towards the old world as people assume that if the SA wine can sneak in as some pretender it must be better whereas I think I'm more interested in the qualitative state of SA Syrah than how well it does or doesn't impersonate the northern Rhone.

In this case (excepting the Paris wines which I struggled with) the quality across the board was high. No doubt had we had Clape, Chave and Jamet in the line-up the Rhone would have scored higher, though maybe we could have gotten some better SA Syrah's but think we did really well in this regard.

Obviously the wines were mainly too young, but they were all still very enjoyable with only the Granite magnum needing quite a bit of air to open up.

Overall I really enjoy the style of both. SA Syrah being nothing like its Shiraz cousin down under (thank goodness!) being more delicate and poised, with much finesse and freshness, with a higher degree of fruit on the nose than our Rhone Syrah's. The Rhone being more savoury offering olive tapenade, fresh green asparagus and violet and floral elements on the nose and palate.

It would be great to do the same with Bordeaux style blends as well as Chardonnay and then we could take forward the top two NW wines into a final dinner which could be the best of the best. That would be fun!
 
Fab dinner. Thanks everyone. Lovely setting and great food and service. The wines all performed well and it was a really useful evening for learning a bit more about SA Syrah. We all pretty much coalesced around the top three wines (Mullineaux Schist 10, Columella 05 and Rostaing 06, with the Levet pair making up the top five).

What was very clear was the stylistic differences. We talked about serving wines blind but I have to say I don't see much purpose as the expression of Syrah is very different in SA compared to the northern Rhone. This was borne out on the night with no singular wine being confused they were all obviously SA or Rhone. @Keith Prothero it's probably why I'd suggest just pouring the wines. I also think blinding wines can skew things towards the old world as people assume that if the SA wine can sneak in as some pretender it must be better whereas I think I'm more interested in the qualitative state of SA Syrah than how well it does or doesn't impersonate the northern Rhone.

In this case (excepting the Paris wines which I struggled with) the quality across the board was high. No doubt had we had Clape, Chave and Jamet in the line-up the Rhone would have scored higher, though maybe we could have gotten some better SA Syrah's but think we did really well in this regard.

Obviously the wines were mainly too young, but they were all still very enjoyable with only the Granite magnum needing quite a bit of air to open up.

Overall I really enjoy the style of both. SA Syrah being nothing like its Shiraz cousin down under (thank goodness!) being more delicate and poised, with much finesse and freshness, with a higher degree of fruit on the nose than our Rhone Syrah's. The Rhone being more savoury offering olive tapenade, fresh green asparagus and violet and floral elements on the nose and palate.

It would be great to do the same with Bordeaux style blends as well as Chardonnay and then we could take forward the top two NW wines into a final dinner which could be the best of the best. That would be fun!
Hmmmmmmmmmmm . Many, many times over the years people have claimed they could easily tell the difference but my Blind Challenges, and frequent smaller lunches , (where we always drink wines blind, ) show this is not the case .
 
Hmmmmmmmmmmm . Many, many times over the years people have claimed they could easily tell the difference but my Blind Challenges, and frequent smaller lunches , (where we always drink wines blind, ) show this is not the case .
Yup, I’m with you there Keith. Amazing how sight of a grand label can increase one’s pleasure / understanding of current phase of evolution and potential. It’s part inevitable bias however much we try to counter it, and part application of experience and knowledge.
 
Late to this, and no detailed notes yet but huge thanks to Gareth and my fellow diners for a wonderful evening - and chapeau to La Cabotte for a lovely meal, a welcome addition to the offline firmament.

The columella was superb, best columella I’ve tasted. The 10 Schist was excellent - real refinement and intensity. I enjoyed the 07 Geynale - a real raciness, I could certainly get how some people would find it screechy and difficult but to me it was just on the right side of too much.

One thing that struck me was how consistent the flights were - excellent wines all the way through.

Great theme Gareth and a lovely way to pass a Thursday evening.
 
Agree that it's not entirely obvious. I asked Leon on at least one occasion "Where would you think this is from if served blind?" and neither of us were at all certain that we'd guess South Africa!

BTW, I did appreciate that we had "only" 9 wines between us. So many events I've been to or (ahem) organised, have way too many. The self control to dodge a fizz was somewhat admirable.
 
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