N. Rhône Dinner at Noizé with Melvin Yeo and Corry Chiu Lin 09.04.25

Well, this was a lovely evening, not least because I got to meet Melvin and Corry for the first time. It was a great opportunity to share some great bottles from the N. Rhône. All the wines except the champagne were served blind, but as the organiser I knew what they were, so nothing was blind to me. I have to say that there were some very good calls on the wines, particularly for the first flight of reds. The Jamets were identified as a pair and people got the vintages more or less right too. There were a couple of disappointments too (both somewhat surprising though), as you will see in the notes. As ever, I'll be interested to read the notes of other participants. Noizé did us proud both with the food and the wine service. The veal dish was the stand out for me, but everything was enjoyable.

Champagne Brut Dom Pérignon 2008 ***½(½)
This was a bright, structured wine that still felt a bit tight. There is plenty of 2008 tension and acidity with a sherberty, sour lemon note on the mid-palate. It also seemed to have a strong fraternal relationship with Moët & Chandon Grand Vintage 2008, but this was just showing a little more depth and slightly less evolution. Despite the acidity and freshness of the wine the dosage is apparent – it felt higher than the 5g/l used. There was quite a bit of debate about whether this is in prime time or not. Anyway, for me, this was perfectly enjoyable now while allowing that it may improve.
Hermitage blanc Domaine Albert Belle 1998 ***½
This was a good wine and it accompanied the mushroom risotto really well. The nose was a little weaker than the palate with a slightly unusual raisiny/sultana note and even a faint hint of whisky barrel – the lemon oil note was a more positive contribution. On the palate It is nicely balanced with a slightly oily texture as is usual with older white Rhône wines. The length is good and it finishes with an oatmeal note. Fully mature, but drinking well. Also, the alcohol was moderate at 13.7%. Perhaps not as good as a previous bottle that Jon B had shared, but enjoyable.
Côte-Rôtie La Barbarine Domaine Yves Gangloff 2013 ***½(½)
I was interested to try this Gangloff wine which was the youngest wine of the evening. The nose is good and typical for C-R with some bacon fat and violets but also with some mystery to the deep red berried fruit. Young and quite serious on the palate but with well judged extraction and weight. Perhaps not quite at its apogee, but it must be close. Very slightly more modern in style than the two Jamet wines served alongside it.
Côte-Rôtie Côte Brune Domaine Jamet 2007 ****½
This is the kind of wine that is a clear reminder that Jamet is producing the best wine in the appellation. The other remarkable thing is how the Jamet style has stayed consistent and identifiable across more than thirty years. This is an immediately sexy wine with a lovely stemmy nose with notes of bacon fat and black olive brine. The Côte Brune just has that extra dimension that doesn’t come from heavier extraction, but there is just a bit more of everything here. The mid-palate and finish are also deeply savoury and strongly mineral/soil inflected. This wine opened up over the evening and showed really well. There is still some tannin on the finish, but the wine is ready to go.
Côte-Rôtie Domaine Jamet 1998 ****½
It was a tough call between this and the Côte Brune for my wine of the night, but the 1998 took the palm - just. Again, the nose is sexy and exciting with violets, a bit of green olive, and a complex truffley note running under the red berried fruit that only comes with significant age. This is not an ethereal wine, but it treads lightly across the palate. The length is outstanding and there is a floral (honeysuckle?) note that enlivens the finish. 1998 was a great N. Rhône vintage and Domaine Jamet made the most of it. One for drinking now though.
Cornas Chaillot Domaine Franck Balthazar 2004 ****
The Balthazar had the difficult position of following on from two absolutely outstanding wines, but I thought that it held its head up well. The nose is deep and mysterious and frankly far fresher and floral than I was expecting. There is a little soil tone on the nose as well as a hint of linseed oil, but the fruit is dominant. The wine feels artisanal and handcrafted on the palate with the elevage taking a back seat. Remarkably for a 2004, this feels as though it has ten years ahead of it. Good length here too.
Cornas Reynard Domaine Thierry Allemand 2006 ***
This was a big disappointment – the previous time that I had this wine it was a four and half star wine of outstanding complexity, but not this time. There is a slightly funky, slightly unclean nose that is also a bit two-dimensional. Not a great start. The fruit feels a little attenuated and the typical Allemand acidity too much to the fore. There can be variability with Allemand wines, but this is the first disappointing 2006 I’ve had.
Crozes-Hermitage La Guiraude Domaine Alain Graillot 1996 ****
This was the wine I most most nervous about in the line-up, but it acquitted itself very well indeed. The nose was fantastic – just a hint of rusticity but there is an attractive blend of green olive, ferrous notes, a bit of iodine too that might suggest an old-school Cornas – but we’re in Crozes here. The palate is not quite as good as the nose but there is lovely leafy syrah fruit here with a very slightly medicinal undertow and a beef stock note towards the finish. The wine is like the Côte Brune in that it was a lot of substance without obvious weight. Very serious for a Crozes and a triumph for 1996. Chapeau Alain!
Cornas Domaine Guy de Barjac 1988 ***½
Here is a wine from another era and it has held on well. The nose is full of red berry fruit together with a lower lying stratum of soil notes. However, the nose never quite blossomed and remained restrained. Savoury and attractive on the palate, but just a little rigid. Some soil tones repeat on the finish. One to drink up.
Hermitage Domaine Chave ***
The Chave 1997 was the other let-down of the evening. The nose is clipped and limited with a bit of VA in the mix. The palate is much the same. I’d have backed this wine to be among the best of the night as Chave did really well with the lesser vintages of the nineties.
Hermitage Domaine Bernard Faurie 1995 ****
I liked the Faurie a lot – this opened with the usual deep, blue-fruited nose that I associate with Faurie, but there is also a lot of complexity on the nose. Really good depth here and the wine runs on well. There is a little bit of tannin towards the finish but this is fully in balance with the fruit. No 1995 hardness here at all. This seems to have plenty of time in hand, but it is certainly in the drinking zone.
Hermitage Maison E. Guigal 1991 ***½
Unlike the Faurie, the Guigal 1991 feels a little more ‘made’ with some muddiness to the fruit profile on the nose coming from the high proportion of new oak used. The wine is enjoyable enough, but everything is in a more limited register than the Faurie. Some notes of cinders and cold campfire suggest oak towards the finish. To be fair, this was a better wine than the Allemand and Chave, but it’s not really my cup of tea.
Cornas Domaine Jacques Lemenicier 2010 ****(½)
Opened as a bonus bottle at the end of proceedings, this wine showed really well. Lemenicier wines are very hard to source in the UK. I bought a half case of the 2010 from the Netherlands when such things were possible pre-Brexit. This wine has a lot of energy on the nose and the palate, and there is also a lot of detail. It feels old-school in style, which I like. While the fruit is bright and lifted, there are also some flecks of iron and Cornas soil tones alongside the fruit. The acidity is good as is the length. Drinking well already, but with time in hand. Overall it feels artisanal and joyous and is a good advertisement for 2010.

Edited to add that my top three wines in order were the Jamet 1998, Jamet Côte Brune 2007, and the Lemenicier Cornas 2010. We didn't do a group vote.

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Great line up Richard and lovely notes of what must have been a super evening!

I’m not surprised that the regular Jamet 1998 was slightly ahead of the Brune 2007 as whenever I’ve had it I’ve been thrilled. But wow that’s a real treat to have had those two together!

I am as surprised as you were that both the Allemand 2006 and Chave 1997 disappointed- just one of those things that statistically are very low probability but happens. I have had more than six bottles of the Allemand in the last 18 months and all have been belters.
 
I am as surprised as you were that both the Allemand 2006 and Chave 1997 disappointed- just one of those things that statistically are very low probability but happens. I have had more than six bottles of the Allemand in the last 18 months and all have been belters.
Indeed Jonathan - I've had at least half a dozen of the Chaillot 2006 and 3-4 of the Reynard of the same vintage and all have been really good wines. This Reynard (with the same provenance and storage conditions as the good ones) was disappointing.
 
I was a grateful late entrant and interloper at this event with Northern Rhone royalty.

Fizz and still white

Champagne Brut Dom Pérignon 2008 – 91++
I was in the camp that this needs a lot more time – at least five years, probably ten – it is just an infant – It has not evolved much since trying it at Noize two years ago – I don’t think it delivers much pleasure as of right now, hence the lowish score, but there is always a sense of occasion drinking DP and this will probably nudge higher over the years.

Hermitage blanc Domaine Albert Belle 1998 – 91
Really interesting wine; grand, viscous/unctuous, very ripe and mature/old/old school with grainy straw and oily notes and thick textured – several of us guessed correctly that it was late 90s Hermitage but no one got the producer.

Reds

Flight one


Côte-Rôtie La Barbarine Domaine Yves Gangloff 2013 - 93
This got bludgeoned into submission by its much more exuberant and extrovert flight mates, but analysed on its own it is a pretty and deftly nuanced cote rotie from a cinderella vintage, which is still a little young and tight…but has purity, levity and exudes class…and played in lower key than its flight mates.

Côte-Rôtie Côte Brune Domaine Jamet 2007- 96
A thrilling and dramatic entry to this wine with sexy nose of coffee grind, sauvage, cinders, Christmas spices and some rubbery notes (but not in a way that detracted from the wine’s brilliance). Full-bodied and exuberant on the palate with plenty going on, including mineral and soil notes. Like Rousseau in burgundy, a crowd pleasing style and a delicious and absolutely compelling wine, even if it is a little obvious.

Côte-Rôtie Domaine Jamet 1998 - 96
The nose on this was nearly identical to the Cote Brune, which is why so many of us thought it might be the same producer (for a fleeting moment I thought they could have been Versets). This had a more evolved colour, and while well into its drinking window its showed no signs of flagging. Just as exuberant and thrilling as the 2007, as Richard noted it was difficult to separate these two stellar wines, from a producer which has delivered year in year out since the mid-80s (I first encountered this wine via Wille Lebus at a walk around tasting at Bibendum back in the day but foolishly did not fill my boots when prices were reasonable).

Flight two – down to earth with a bump

Cornas Chaillot Domaine Franck Balthazar 2004 - 90
The fact that this wine tasted younger than its flight mate was more a reflection of the other wine being below par, but this was a solid effort, albeit an unremarkable wine and came across as pretty prosaic after the Jamets – but most wines would though. It was a correct, worthy Cornas, but not exciting or memorable.

Cornas Reynard Domaine Thierry Allemand 2006 - 89
Not a good bottle, especially compared to the spectacular Allemand Chaillot 2006 I tried a year ago. This tasted like an older wine that needed drinking up with funky saddle leather notes, which gave it some, albeit limited, allure.

Flight three

Crozes-Hermitage La Guiraude Domaine Alain Graillot 1996 - 92
A mature wine with an expressive and textbook Northern Rhone entry as RZ described. Fully resolved and medium on the palate, it does need drinking up, but was a delightful wine coming to the end of its drinking window, and which more than held its own in such illustrious company

Cornas Domaine Guy de Barjac 1988 - 91
I didn’t realise how old this wine was and I thought it was younger than its flight mate. Mature Cornas which was holding up very well, but lacked the excitement of thrilling 1983s and 1985s GdBs I have previously encountered.

Flight four

Hermitage Domaine Chave 1997 - 91
Like the Allemand this was clearly below par, and I have had better examples of this wine. This was carrying a lot of distracting VA, but nevertheless had a good length on the palate.

Hermitage Domaine Bernard Faurie 1995 - 95
A splendid example of fully mature and great Hermitage. Authoritative, big-framed, multi-faceted and bracing, without being austere or forbidding. A distinguished wine, which seems to be around the middle of its drinking window.

Hermitage Maison E. Guigal 1991 - 91
A good showing for this wine, which is fully mature, with all the parts – including the famous Guigal new oak – by now pretty much integrated. It didn’t feely overly contrived or over the top to me, but it lacked the complexity and gravitas of the Faurie.

Richard’s bonus wine

Cornas Domaine Jacques Lemenicier 2010 – 95
The most exciting wine of the evening served last, and a producer I had never heard of and impossible to source in Blighty post Brexit…it looks and tastes young, and while it has some of the typical Cornas leitmotifs it is wonderfully pure, fresh and clean – without in any way being anaesthetised – as RZ noted it has lovely bright fruit and is such a complete and compelling wine – at the beginning of its drinking window.

I nominated this as my wotn, even though I gave the two Jamets slightly higher scores – as usual no claims for consistency, accuracy or fairness here.

Thank you Richard for bringing this pearl, and for putting this event together, and thanks to all the other participants for their generous contributions to mark the visit of our Singaporean friends. It was good to see Melvin again and meet Chiu Lin. I am sure we will be hearing a lot more from them in the coming days as they set sail metaphorically for burgundy and Northern Rhone. And thanks to Noize as well for a splendid meal.
 
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Cross-posting from my London thread. Wonderful evening and glad to meet new friends and see some old ones, thanks very much Richard for organising! I always enjoy a northern Rhone tasting in the UK as not many in Singapore are as well-versed in this region.

Northern Rhones with WP folks
A top line-up of northern Rhones with some northern Rhone experts from wine-pages. My personal favourites were the two Jamets by some distance, followed by the '04 Balthazar, '95 Graillot, and '95 Faurie.
  • 2008 Dom Pérignon Champagne - France, Champagne (9/4/2025)
    More open-knit than I expected and without the signature gunflint nose. The '08 acidity gave the wine a good balance and energy without sticking out. Would not hesitate to open these now. (94 pts.)
  • 1998 Domaine Belle Hermitage Blanc - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage (9/4/2025)
    Good acidity and restraint, this was less tropical and blowsy than the usual northern Rhone white. Guessed Condrieu from a cooler vintage like '08 because it didn't have the power of a Hermitage white. Only quibble was a distracting aldehyde note. (91 pts.)
  • 2013 Mathilde et Yves Gangloff Côte-Rôtie La Barbarine - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie (9/4/2025)
    Initially a little too modern and lacked oomph especially beside the two magnificent Jamets, but developed some pretty blue fruit with time. (91 pts.)
  • 1998 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie (9/4/2025)
    Wasn't difficult to nail this and the '07 Côte Brune alongside as Jamets after smelling the incredible nose on both wines. Smoky and floral at the same time with violets and iodine notes, palate had youthful dark red fruit for its age. Very classy and regal, at peak. (94 pts.)
  • 2007 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie Côte Brune - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie (9/4/2025)
    Wow this was the '98 normal Côte-Rôtie but dialled up in terms of power, precision, and balance. Similar to the '98, this was pretty but sauvage at the same time and everything I wanted in a northern Rhone. Truly an iron fist in a velvet glove kind of wine, and I think Jamet's Côte Brunes are the pinnacle of northern Rhone. (95 pts.)
  • 2004 Franck Balthazar Cornas Chaillot - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (9/4/2025)
    Wow never had a (Franck) Balthazar this old, this was incredibly youthful with bright, pretty red fruit and a little barnyard that added character. Silky and balanced, this was one of my favourites on the night. (94 pts.)
  • 2006 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (9/4/2025)
    A generous bring but unfortunately this wasn't showing well. Had the blue Allemand fruit but unfortunately was rather muddled and showed too much funk. (90 pts.)
  • 1996 Alain Graillot Crozes-Hermitage La Guiraude - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Crozes-Hermitage (9/4/2025)
    My contribution. I had the '95 previously and was confident that the '96 would show well, but this surpassed my expectations (I was fairly confident that this was the '91 Guigal Hermitage!). Deep, smoky nose that showed some toasty oak use; palate was powerful and structured while retaining freshness. Good Graillots always have a fantastic balance between the acidic, sour cherry fruit and the sauvage nature of northern Rhone. A blockbuster of a wine and one of my favourites on the night. (94 pts.)
  • 1988 Guy de Barjac Cornas - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (9/4/2025)
    Still very fresh for an '88 but the red fruit was thinning out for me. Solid old-school Cornas otherwise. (90 pts.)
  • 1997 Domaine Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage (9/4/2025)
    Similar to my last '97 Chave, this was disjointed with some oxidative soy notes. Didn't have the elegance or purity of fruit that I expected of Chave. (89 pts.)
  • 1995 Bernard Faurie Hermitage - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage (9/4/2025)
    Proper old-school Hermitage that was masculine and broad-shouldered. Powerful but not excessively tannic, had a wonderful structured backbone that made this a delicious drink. One of my favourites of the night. (94 pts.)
  • 1991 E. Guigal Hermitage - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage (9/4/2025)
    My contribution. This showed older than my two previous bottles which were austere and tannic, quite resolved with autumnal dark red fruit. No fireworks this time which was a shame, as these old Guigals can be magical. (91 pts.)
  • 2010 Jacques Lemenicier Cornas - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (9/4/2025)
    Heard about this producer but hadn't tried. Good, honest Cornas with meaty, inky blue fruit. Enjoyed this as a no-frills northern Rhone Syrah, but think the others at the table liked it a lot more than I did. (91 pts.)
 
  • 1998 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie (10/04/2025)
    Northern Rhone dinner at Noize, London. Wonderful showing tonight on a good lineup. Explosive nose dominated by flowers and dark soils, slightly funky too giving it so much character. Silky texture, tannins mostly resolved, aftertaste was more evolved than the ‘07 Jamet Côte Brune on the same flight. My WOTN, drinking at its peak and just barely beat out Côte Brune by a hair in a photo finish. So glad I still hold a few bottles of this from my own stash even though it could be rather inconsistent wine based on previous experiences. (95 pts.)
  • 2007 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie Côte Brune - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie (10/04/2025)
    Norther Rhone dinner at Noizé, London. Nose was not as explosive as ‘98 Jamet CR but still very enticing. Both pretty much showed similar intermixed of flowers and dark soils. Palate was fairly similar too but eventually this developed another gear on the palate thus I believed it had further upside down the road, even though ‘98 Jame CR was better for current consumption. Drinking well now but could well add another 2-3 points in the future, may reach or even overtake the exceptional ‘04 Côte Brune. (95 pts.)
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A little late to the party here - a scouts D of E weekend interfered with note-taking, but half a day of waiting in mini buses gave me some time to catch up :-)

Firstly, huge thanks to RZ for organising such a thoroughly lovely dinner - perfectly judged, I think, and so lovely to spend time with similarly afflicted nerds from around the world. So great to see @Melvin Yeo and @Chiu Lin on their European travels, and what a special community - we are very fortunate.

Hard to say anything about the restaurant except - they just don't seem to fail to hit the mark these days. Food, welcome, vibe, all flawless.

My impressions as follows...

RZ'S N RHÔNE WITH OUT OF TOWN GUEST - Noizé (13/04/2025)

Champagne with Gougeres and Cheddar
  • 2008 Dom Pérignon Champagne - France, Champagne
    Spiky - becoming more well behaved after an awkward teenage spell. There’s a butyric whiff to this, which passes somewhat. More than decent start to proceedings, but one to revisit in a decade I think.
White Rhone with Wild Mushroom Risotto, Oyster Mushroom
  • 1998 Domaine Belle Hermitage Blanc - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage
    Served Blind. On the nose - incense at first, then some fruit - almost pruney? Oxidative, still some structure but more classically low acid N Rhone than recent forays into the region. Some discussion about whether Condrieu or Hermitage - the Hermitage group turned out to be right…
Red flight one with Roasted Veal, Potato Terrine, Morel, Mushroom Jus
  • 2013 Mathilde et Yves Gangloff Côte-Rôtie La Barbarine - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
    Served Blind. Garnet colour. Just a hint of funk. Bacon fat, some white pepper - the only wine with that kind of young-syrah character this evening. Some discussion at the table as to the level of extraction - somewhat extracted it was, I think, and I do wonder if there is some influence on the pepper character from that.
  • 2007 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie Côte Brune - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
    Served blind. OK here we go! Similar garnet colour to the preceding bottle, and more animal energy on the nose. Some discussion about stem inclusion? This was just super - the complete package. Still young I think - or at least, a long time to go. A fellow diner nailed the producer immediately…well…I didn’t, but was more than happy to follow along. Comments at the table “a complete Côte Rôtie”, “a very serious 2007” - both of which I wholeheartedly agree with. My #2 WOTN (and definitely, definitely the one I would take a bottle home with me to age).
  • 1998 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
    Served blind. I wrote more youthful colour than the preceding bottle. Shows what I know. A hint of that animale character that I associate with Brett, but other Brett-hating and this-wine-loving diners assure me isn’t Brett. This is long and complete - ends with a hint of smoke and camp fire, almost where the bacon fat of Côte Rôtie starts to turn into the embers of old red wine…I’ve tasted this three or four times and this was the best bottle, I think.
Red flight two
  • 2004 Franck Balthazar Cornas Chaillot - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas
    Purple garnet colour. Dark berry nose. Almost bubblegum flavour? No - it’s 1p fruit salad chews - but there’s no sweetness at the end.
  • 2006 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas
    Served blind. Colour - similar purple garnet. More animale energy on the nose again - density and length but also a hint of funk - like listening to a deep bass note on a hifi. When revealed - this is a little bit of a funky bottle. Perhaps the wine gods chose to steal some of the magic of this wine and hand it over to the Graillot.
Red flight three with Slow Cooked Beef, Pomee Purée, Hispi Cabbage, Red Wine Sauce
  • 1996 Alain Graillot Crozes-Hermitage La Guiraude - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Crozes-Hermitage
    Served blind. Blood and iron on the nose - lovely nosebleed energy, but maybe too rounded and complete for a Cornas. This is the real deal. Some discussion about Chave and yes - Hermitage makes sense. Revealed - crikey. This is just super stuff. My WOTN. Interestingly - a friend with knowledge of such things said that he frequently mistook Graillot la Guiraude for Chave in the 90s so…
  • 1988 Guy de Barjac Cornas - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas
    Served blind. Purple / Garnet colour. Just a *hint* of funk. Real energy on the nose, balanced on the pale. Perhaps a hint of polish to this? On revelation - I tasted the 83 of this once, that was a more thrilling experience, but this is an unneeded comparison. This was perfectly lovely, seemed younger than its years, and a treat to taste.
Red flight four with Sélection of Cheeses
  • 1997 Domaine Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage
    Served Blind. Bright garnet colour. Clean on the nose - hint of bubblegum on the palate. Some discussion about VA? On reveal - like the Allemand, clearly the wine gods were very capricious today…should have been a lot better.
  • 1995 Bernard Faurie Hermitage - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage
    Served blind. Purpler. Darker fruited. Also clean. Someone said it was “luxe” and yes - somehow luxe, but not glossy. Like falling into a comfortable armchair after a busy day. Really enjoyed this - a great example of the alchemy that N Rhone goes through with time.
  • 1991 E. Guigal Hermitage - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage
    Garnet colour. Hint of bubblegum, hint of campfire. Clearly a very well put together wine - my handwritten note said “lack of fun?” - compared to the really good wines this evening, lacking a certain joie de vivre.
Bonus extra red
  • 2010 Jacques Lemenicier Cornas - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas
    Served blind. Popped and poured as a generous bonus bottle. Purple, purple colour. By this stage note taking starts to struggle, but this was super. Clean as a whistle, real depth and length. Blood and soil cornas character. Evidently a producer almost impossible to source in the UK - would love to taste again, and shall surely look out for. x
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Interesting that the DP 08 was a bit polarising…Richard and Melvin think it is ready to go and Leon and I would rather revisit in 5-10 years.

What do others think? Both those who were there at the dinner and those who were not but have had it recently?
 
Only one recent note, but based on that I’m in the two to ten camp. I’m not in any immediate hurry to start on mine…

  • 2008 Dom Pérignon Champagne - France, Champagne (31/01/2025)
    Cornus
    : Pale to mid straw. Typically reductive nose. Nicely fresh. A little more richness here, cut through with lemon curd. Richer on the palate too. Opens nicely. Just starting. ****1/2 (94 pts.)
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Thread drift risk/alert:

Interesting that the DP 08 was a bit polarising…Richard and Melvin think it is ready to go and Leon and I would rather revisit in 5-10 years.

What do others think? Both those who were there at the dinner and those who were not but have had it recently?
5-10 Ian...drinkable now but you're not getting an experience yet that warrants the price of entry.
 
This was a fab dinner...lovely to meet some more lovers of traditionally-made N Rhone wine as well as catch up with old friends.

My notes won't reveal anything that has not already been said by at least one other attendee and so I won't type them up....the world has enough notes from this dinner !

The age-old question arose again of who makes better wine in the Northern Rhone than J-P Jamet? Some consensus around the table that 'nobody' is a very reasonable answer to give. The Brune 07 transcends the style of the vintage...with a glorious wildness somehow combined with pristine structure and balance. A clever alchemy.

I am with Ian on the Gangloff (lovely Rotie and another 5yrs should take it to the next level), with Richard and Melvin on the Balthazar (which I was convinced was Allemand Chaillot when I smelt it but perhaps not quite the depth on the palate) and with Richard and Leon on the Guigal (just a bit dull and 'made').

The Chave was flawed as I saw it...with an intense sour note running through its core. Faurie lovely (as always) but felt fractionally off-key somehow.

Surprise of the night was a tie between the Graillot...a nose to die for...and the Lemenicier...who knew his wines were THAT good?
 
5-10 Ian...drinkable now but you're not getting an experience yet that warrants the price of entry.
It must to an extent depend on what one wants of a Champagne, but the argument that if one wants it young one should have it younger is a very strong one.
Historically 17 years old was quite venerable age at which to drink the stuff, it is interesting the extent to which that has changed in the 21st century. Young grand Champagne can on occasion thrill like nothing else, it must be said.
Readers of Woodrow Wyatt's Diaries will be familiar with the choice habitually offered in his particular social circle of old or young Champagne. One sees the point even if he was the most appalling of old farts.
 
I had this recently and thought it probably the best wine I've had all year. Youthful certainly, but the focus was incredibly impressive. First two of the case and would not hesitate to open another. At the time I remarked it would easily last 10 years.
 
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