Wine prices to fall?

Nigel Palesford said:
I believe he only drinks in the shower when abroad.
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Speaking of Trump in the shower, I've often wondered what his hair looks like when it's wet. He's clearly losing more and more off the top of his head, as his parting is having to be placed further and further down the left side of his head. That means his comb-over has to reach correspondingly further down the right side of his head too - and there's less and less hair from which to produce the comb-over, which therefore is having to be more and more elaborately arranged and is clearly becoming more and more see-through when photographed from above. What a long, straggly mess it must be when wet! And does he really think he's fooling anybody that he has a full head of hair? I doubt any celebrity hairdresser will be prepared to put his or her name to cutting it...

(This isn't political, is it?)
 
Colin Bradley said:
Speaking of Trump in the shower, I've often wondered what his hair looks like when it's wet. He's clearly losing more and more off the top of his head, as his parting is having to be placed further and further down the left side of his head. That means his comb-over has to reach correspondingly further down the right side of his head too - and there's less and less hair from which to produce the comb-over, which therefore is having to be more and more elaborately arranged and is clearly becoming more and more see-through when photographed from above. What a long, straggly mess it must be when wet! And does he really think he's fooling anybody that he has a full head of hair? I doubt any celebrity hairdresser will be prepared to put his or her name to cutting it...

(This isn't political, is it?)
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If you're thinking about Trump being in the shower, I think you need immediate therapy. I'd prescribe half a dozen bottles of Dead Arm to wash those thoughts away.
 
Mark Carrington said:
Randall Grahm's take on Bluesky.
This is not a windfall for domestic wine producers. Many of us sell our wine through wholesalers whose portfolio largely consists of European wines. These wholesalers are already struggling and the tariffs could be a mortal blow.
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I saw an essentially similar response from Jason Haas of Tablas Creek on Threads, linking to a post he wrote on exactly this during Trump's first presidency. If I remember correctly, his take was that it'll be bad for domestic wine production, given the (to us) odd laws around selling wine in the USA. He can't sell to restaurants and retailers outside California, so is dependent on distributors. Those distributors don't just import from other US states, but from overseas, and are, as Randall Grahm says, unlikely to survive the tariffs that he's threatening to impose. If they've paid for $100k of wine coming in from Europe, they'd have to find another $200k to release it from the port of arrival. Even if they can weather that, they'll be looking to source replacements on their lists, which is likely to take their attention away from promoting domestic production. So, it's essentially a lose-lose-lose.
 
Colin Bradley said:
Speaking of Trump in the shower, I've often wondered what his hair looks like when it's wet. He's clearly losing more and more off the top of his head, as his parting is having to be placed further and further down the left side of his head. That means his comb-over has to reach correspondingly further down the right side of his head too - and there's less and less hair from which to produce the comb-over, which therefore is having to be more and more elaborately arranged and is clearly becoming more and more see-through when photographed from above. What a long, straggly mess it must be when wet! And does he really think he's fooling anybody that he has a full head of hair? I doubt any celebrity hairdresser will be prepared to put his or her name to cutting it...

(This isn't political, is it?)
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I admire the precision of your analysis.
 
Alex Lake said:
"Trump said the tariffs would be "great for the Wine and Champagne businesses in the U.S." However, wine importers and distributors, retailers and bar owners that Reuters spoke to said that they would pay the price." - I misunderstood the meaning of this first time!
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Typical Trump but I just wonder how much "Champagne" they produce in the US of A?
Probably the finest available in his view.
 
Sean Hardon said:
They can't deny it, their tasting notes testify to it.
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Also, just because it’s spent doesn’t mean it’s consuming… maybe it sits in an elaborate wine cellar where paying punters can come and admire them drinking 1/10th of its contents (anymore would leave empty shelves) from a distance… the wine equivalent of the most adorable cat glaring at you and saying “pet me with your eyes hooman!”
 
Alex Lake said:
"Trump said the tariffs would be "great for the Wine and Champagne businesses in the U.S."
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If that quote is correct it seems to reflect an ignorance of what is and IS NOT champagne (I am unsure where the capital C came from when referring to the wine)perhaps the chap meant to speak of sparkling wines from the U.S.
Anyway whilst of interest to us, wine tariffs are small beer amongst the more general catastrophes we are witnessing.
Last night I watched the 2024 movie The Apprentice.
Great performances all round and very well portrayed the era.
…….I just didn’t care much for the subject o_O
 
Andrew Stevenson said:
I saw an essentially similar response from Jason Haas of Tablas Creek on Threads, linking to a post he wrote on exactly this during Trump's first presidency. If I remember correctly, his take was that it'll be bad for domestic wine production, given the (to us) odd laws around selling wine in the USA. He can't sell to restaurants and retailers outside California, so is dependent on distributors. Those distributors don't just import from other US states, but from overseas, and are, as Randall Grahm says, unlikely to survive the tariffs that he's threatening to impose. If they've paid for $100k of wine coming in from Europe, they'd have to find another $200k to release it from the port of arrival. Even if they can weather that, they'll be looking to source replacements on their lists, which is likely to take their attention away from promoting domestic production. So, it's essentially a lose-lose-lose.
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Would the prohibition also spread to selling to overseas merchants and shipping out or do foreign buyers have to go through those distributors?

Regardless of whether the EU reciprocates (although they already do to an extent) it could lead to a thriving trade for those merchants that have a global footprint. Shipping would be expensive but probably still less per bottle than tariffs etc… Wines could be routed through Hong Kong or Singapore and then back to Europe. It would limit distribution to only the likes of Corney’s or Berry’s who may not want the various wines on their list but I’m sure some will find a way to survive.
 
Jonathan Beagle said:
Would the prohibition also spread to selling to overseas merchants and shipping out or do foreign buyers have to go through those distributors?

Regardless of whether the EU reciprocates (although they already do to an extent) it could lead to a thriving trade for those merchants that have a global footprint. Shipping would be expensive but probably still less per bottle than tariffs etc… Wines could be routed through Hong Kong or Singapore and then back to Europe. It would limit distribution to only the likes of Corney’s or Berry’s who may not want the various wines on their list but I’m sure some will find a way to survive.
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I think the rules of origin rules prevent this.
 
Colin Bradley said:
Speaking of Trump in the shower, I've often wondered what his hair looks like when it's wet. He's clearly losing more and more off the top of his head, as his parting is having to be placed further and further down the left side of his head. That means his comb-over has to reach correspondingly further down the right side of his head too - and there's less and less hair from which to produce the comb-over, which therefore is having to be more and more elaborately arranged and is clearly becoming more and more see-through when photographed from above. What a long, straggly mess it must be when wet! And does he really think he's fooling anybody that he has a full head of hair? I doubt any celebrity hairdresser will be prepared to put his or her name to cutting it...

(This isn't political, is it?)
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Surely it's not going to happen? If I were a US winemaker, I'd not be looking to expand beyond any plans already in place - that's for sure! I'd have thought a recession would be bad news for wine sales (...or maybe very good?!)
 
Richard Zambuni said:
Tariffs are in themselves political, so much as I'd like to contribute to this thread I have to take a step back. I'm not sure how there can be any discussion at all that is not in some way political, even if an opinion is expressed mildly. Probably a thread that should not have been started.
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I see where you're coming from, but I am taking this as a potential motivation to wait and see in terms of buying wine - I don't think that's political. Mention of the T-word doesn't help.

Mind you, moving it to Politics forum might not hurt.
 
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