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I think it's relatively unlikely that even occasional exposure to 25C would damage a young nebbiolo; certainly possible but it may just be a dud batch.
2016 Barolo and Barbaresco - what have you bought?
- Thread starter Ian Hampsted
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Possibly not. But eight years of hot summers might well take their toll. Friends who have a flat and keep their wine in their spare room for the last ten years have found everything pretty knackered even with the heating turned off and curtains closed in that room. I think London is just so much hotter throughout the day than over ten years ago and sadly wine storage in the open in anything but an underground cellar is really rather risky.
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Great to hear from you on here Birger, very pleased to hear that you're a lot better than you were and over the worst.
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I haven't bought any, partly because of price, partly because I still have various of each ranging from 2005 to 2015 vintage.
I did get a couple of bottles of 2016 Barbaresco from the cellar door of Nada Giuseppe and Rizzi when we visited last year, but that's all thus far. Definitely a lot of potential in the vintage, well balanced wines.
Surprised to see no mention of Piero Busso, or Marcarini in the thread, unless I'm being myopic .Both excellent and still relatively good value
I did get a couple of bottles of 2016 Barbaresco from the cellar door of Nada Giuseppe and Rizzi when we visited last year, but that's all thus far. Definitely a lot of potential in the vintage, well balanced wines.
Surprised to see no mention of Piero Busso, or Marcarini in the thread, unless I'm being myopic .Both excellent and still relatively good value
Have you ever seen the storage conditions for a lot of wines in Piemonte? I think a lot of what is called heat damage is just faulty corks.
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I agree on the storage conditions (though they have changed considerably in the last 2-3 years after money has been offered by the DOCG to help sort it out). I’m not really experienced enough to tell the difference between a faulty cork and heat damage though. Say a bit more Claude?
I've expressed my views many times, Gareth, including in this thread on the topic.
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Sandrone, for a while unfashionably modern, seems to have done well in 2016. Has anyone been tempted or jumped in? My recent experiences with this producer have been overwhelmingly positive.
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Yup I have some 2013s. They are really quite lush and delicious. Perhaps seen as a bit modern but I thought them pretty exceptional. Not dived until the 16s as I think I might have enough!
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I am very positive about Sandrone although have little experience save for drinking the 1998 Le Vigne earlier this year. I get the impression that the producer is on the up and might be a good one to follow in the longer run.
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I grabbed a few bottles of Guido Porro Lazzariasco ‘16 yesterday, always a well prices option and have enjoyed in previous vintages (although I am not currently storing any). I tend to think of these as dependable winemaking from good terrior and so good value, but perhaps I am damning with faint praise there...
Has anyone tried their Vigna Rionda?
Has anyone tried their Vigna Rionda?
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I bought two six packs of Vietti Barolo Castiglione 2016, @£185ib each, something I have been contemplating for a while, but Oliver noted that stocks maybe getting low now at this price...just look at the price of older vintages though the 2015 can still be picked up for slightly less...so probably advisable to lock some in now.
I also bought two six packs of Barolo, Aculei, La Bioca 2016 @140ib each.This is a wine I have never heard of, but in the latest Decanter edition, Italy supplement, it was awarded ‘best in class’ by none other than Stephen Brook MW, in a competitive field of other 2016 Barolos, so at that price it is hard to say no.
I also bought two six packs of Barolo, Aculei, La Bioca 2016 @140ib each.This is a wine I have never heard of, but in the latest Decanter edition, Italy supplement, it was awarded ‘best in class’ by none other than Stephen Brook MW, in a competitive field of other 2016 Barolos, so at that price it is hard to say no.
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When the wines are as good as Sandrone's, traditional or modern camps really don't matter all that much, the wines are just superb.
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Hi Ian
I've had the 2014 of this as a bottle about a year ago picked up when popping in to Jeroboams. I was reasonably impressed for the quality for the price. It was clearly quite young and grippy but lovely flavour and good length
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Since posting about my haul at #45 above, I have added Brovia 2016 x 6 (the normale) which was picked up late last year (again sold out v v fast - and the crus in a flash - although as the crus were offered by the dozen only it didn't interest me as much)
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It’ll be a good buy, I’m sure. The 2004 is in a delicious early drinking window now and helping me keep away from the 2004 single-vineyards. I bought Brovia for many years and remained thoroughly bemused up until maybe only 3 or 4 years ago the market hadn’t caught-up with either the intrinsic quality of what is in the bottles or the consistently high levels of praise from reviewers. IIRC from visits, the normale comes from so-called young vines on their cru sites, but I loved their definition of young vines - under 25 years they sell the fruit, 25-40 years it goes in the normale and only over 40 does it get into the crus. What sort of prices are the crus being offered at now?
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I rediscovered my last single bottles of each of the 04 crus yesterday. I fear I drank the others far too early. The wines are too pricey for me now. My last purchase was a case of 12 of the 2011 Rocche in Jan 2018 for what now seems a snip (£310)
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Andy,
I have a 6 pack of the standard Brovia Barolo in storage am have been mulling when to withdraw. It's not a wine I know at all. What do you reckon?
Cheers
Neil
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2004?
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Yes, sorry. Is that the one you mentioned early in window? Not sure how long the plateau is.
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The last offer I saw, which went inside an hour or two, they were at £1,095/12 IB which was for the lauded 2016 vintage. I think earlier in the year they were offered for slightly less by 6 pack. Hard to find wines. I am gutted I was not decisive enough when they were available by the 6 pack (edit - just checked, the crus were £420 for 6 back in April for the super attentive and responsive who secured in split seconds). The straight Brovia was last offered to me at £475/12 yet I managed to get it in a 6.
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My last note, just over a year ago...
Brovia, Barolo 2004
Translucent dark damson red with orange tones at the edge. Gorgeous nose - briar and woodsmoke, tobacco, dried herbs, orange peel & brioche. Tarry black fruit. Really lush and deep. Not much in the way of high tones, but it’s all so lovely now that they’re not missed (& will come in time). Palate still has mid-weight fine-textured tannins, lovely integrating texture, peppery red & black fruit, great length & balance. Still has juicy fruit, plenty of acid balance.
This note is pretty similar to the one before, which was 18 months earlier so it’s behaving as Barolo should and evolving slowly.
Soooo, I think this is very attractive now but if you like mature traditional Barolo it will be significantly better in 5-10 years.
Hope this is helpful.
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I was lucky enough to have the 2005 Brovia Roche-Villero 150 Anniversario en magnum back in Jan last year - a stunning wine. I like the producer a lot. I have the Ca Mia 2015 in bond in a six. Quite low profile given the quality.
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Please tell me more about what you thought about the 2005 Rocche-Villero. Very interesting wine - I have a few but haven't opened one yet - always keen to hear progress reports!
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A few other forumites were at the same event. It was served as a bonus bottle so by the time I tried it I was not really in a position to take notes. I think NM who was at the same table scored it 95. If the opportunity arises to try a mag, would be worth checking in. Sorry could not be more helpful.